By Alex Smith / @alexsmith1982
The eagle-eyed among you will have noticed a new banner on the right hand side of LabourList today. It's an image of John and Edward Grimes, collectively known as Jedward, the bubblegum pop duo that have taken this year's X-Factor by storm.
But, as with the David Cameron and George Osborne, you won't be laughing if they win...
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What are you saying? Could it be you you have become a supporter of our PM & I made you happy when you read my comment?
You know I'm serious about Gordon Brown.
He's a good man & a hard working PM the right man in the right job.
cheers
I should have checked the spelling I accept the flack
cheers
And John, keep up the good work.
The existence of the Internet is justified by this one clause. I will die happy just to have read it with my own eyes.
.... Nope... moderatly informed, straight talking realist.
You're a Leftie? You sound more like Aaron Lennin than Vladamir Lennin
I don't know what Government the electorate will choose? but the Bullingdon boys(Cameron & Osborne) are an asset to the Labour party & so are you Tory-troll (keep it up)with your right wing rhetoric all over Labourlist you are proving to be exactly everything our Country needs to avoid. Please stay on the Blog to remind us why we must have a Labour Government elected."
Elizabeth,
I am sorry to correct you again but feel I must do so as you are not an asset to the Labour party. You are dangerous to its welfare, with your silly outbursts. You attack Guy and the Tories with random words, hoping to land a punch. This is a strategy that backfires. I do not share Guys views, but labelling what he says as right wing rubbish when he clearly is intelligent does you no favours. Guy actually makes some very strong points that are well argued; it is a shame he dilutes them with stupid, selfish I am alright jack comments and views.
Attack is not in the Tory manifesto. Labour politicians and Tory politicians do it just the same.
The reason that Guys views are so dangerous is because he does not care about his fellow human being, he sees everybody else as expendable. I am certain he walks past most people thinking they are beneath him. Sad really that this is exactly the way the New Labour have treated the working class. So your point about this being the reason a Labour government needs to be re-elected is beyond me.
Not sure what you mean, if you want to know where I am from, dull and dreary West Byfleet.
Left of Watford?
I'm sure this is written into Tory manifesto--- Best method of defence is attack as we don't have any policies.
I don't know what Government the electorate will choose? but the Bullingdon boys(Cameron & Osborne) are an asset to the Labour party & so are you Tory-troll (keep it up)with your right wing rhetoric all over Labourlist you are proving to be exactly everything our Country needs to avoid. Please stay on the Blog to remind us why we must have a Labour Government elected.
Sorry David, if you are objective, you will know that Churchill was the right leader at the right time, he persuaded the Yanks to enter the war; just as the Labour Government that followed him (the most successful Labour Government ever) was the right Government then.
If you know your history then you know that the Americans were dead set against entering the war and Churchill knew he couldn’t win without them. The country needed a man like Churchill to change the tide and bring the Yanks in. What did he face, here are some extracts from Max Hastings....
“A poll at the time showed Americans were opposed to participation in the European conflict by an overwhelming 13 to one. The Senate rejected a proposal to sell ships and planes to Britain and the attorney-general ruled such a sale illegal under the Neutrality Act.”
“Anti-British feeling was rife. One correspondent to a newspaper in Philadelphia professed to see no difference between 'the oppressor of the Jews and Czechs' - Nazi Germany - and 'the oppressor of the Irish and of India' - the United Kingdom.”
“Many U.S. generals were equally resistant to participating in the war and dubious about the British as prospective allies. Some senior officers unashamedly reserved their admiration for the Germans.”
“In Britain, meanwhile, few people had anything but contempt for Americans for absenting themselves from the struggle against Hitler. 'I have little faith in them,' a Battle of Britain pilot wrote. 'I suppose in God's own time God's own country will fight.' But he wasn't holding his breath.”
Being objective means we can see both sides and get respected for it. Being partisan means you quite rightly are marginalised and ignored.
And who it was who bought battleships and ammunitions from America to enable us to defend ourselves (I assume you ARE British and not some Jock with a chip?)?
Why it must have been that old Tory Churchill.
Good points
"You say ...... "I understand that the right wing media is attacking our PM and their actions are to ensure a Conservative win at the election". Now there's a surprise.
No Elizabeth, the view of reality that you post here comes through a prism of distortion and a fog patch of opacity. It won't do to post your old guff here because you'll be shot down in flames.
There really is no need to shout your strange and bombastic view of the party line here, firstly because no-one will support the sort of blind "Gordon can walk on water and perform miracles" stuff [and why should you insult us with it] and, secondly, because we want to discuss, to debate, to challenge, not only each other but ourselves."
I would like to complain, after reading your deluded post my sides split from laughter and now I need surgery.
But seriously, my advice stop taking the drugs your on and see a doctor. Utter gibberish!
..... and thats coming from a lefty!
"Churchill saved us from destruction, William you are the dreamer. So history is wrong and America did not get involved, i believe we have been bailed out in both world wars by American involvement. And your comment is straight from the beano"
THe US entered the war at the end of 1941 and their involvement on the European front took some time coming. By which time the UK had already won the Battle of Britain and Hitler had turned from Operation Sealion to Operation Barbarossa.
It was Commonwealth forces that won at El Alamein about the time the US forces were getting a pasting at Kasserine.
Yes once the US joined the allies the die was cast for Hitler, but the UK had already blunted and stopped the Nazi's on the western front before Pearl Harbour.
I'd also point out that the USSR in terms of manpower had a huge impact.
I'd suggest you look a bit at military history rather than come out with belittling comments about the UK in WW2.
Both you and Elizabeth are the perfect examples of why the country at large despises this Labour government and perfect examples of why in the national interest we need Labour out of office asap.
What historical manuscripts do you base your politics on & how does your archaic views possibly have any relevance in today's modern society.
Please come out of your cave & show the colour of your loincloth.
You say: "but the Labour Party chose Gordon Brown as the Leader."
The truth says - No it didn't.
You say: "As if that wasn't enough to deal with along came MPS expenses furore." Ah yes - pay me £400 a month for my food says, errrrr, Gordon Brown. Oh and pay my brother £'000s for cleaning for my one bedroom flat.
And then you say "Then there's more--The world has to deal with Swine flu-(Got to ensure people are informed & protected)"
The truth says "natural infections do occur".
You say "... The horror of baby P and the terrible shock that our social services were failing vulnerable children."
The truth says: "we set up a culture in which all that social work people had to do was fill in forms properly and it wasn't my fault. And the salaries were crap too, so we were short of trained staff."
You say ".... Never before has any PM had to deal with such a magnitude of difficulties & complex issues."
The truth says "if a PM can't handle what comes along, or fails to surround him/herself with excellent ministers, then he's no damned good".
You say "Even the PM's WW1 & 2 had it easy compared to Gordon Brown".
The truth says - "when this nation faced annihilation Churchill saved it from destruction and Nazi domination." Your comparison is straight from the Stalinist propaganda school.
You say ...... "I understand that the right wing media is attacking our PM and their actions are to ensure a Conservative win at the election". Now there's a surprise.
No Elizabeth, the view of reality that you post here comes through a prism of distortion and a fog patch of opacity. It won't do to post your old guff here because you'll be shot down in flames.
There really is no need to shout your strange and bombastic view of the party line here, firstly because no-one will support the sort of blind "Gordon can walk on water and perform miracles" stuff [and why should you insult us with it] and, secondly, because we want to discuss, to debate, to challenge, not only each other but ourselves.
I wish you luck in promoting "FIVE MORE YEARS OF GORDON BROWN".
I am a Gordon Brown supporter. I am one person who doesn't believe
your forecast that "Brown will be dumped".
What you say doesn't make sense. You might have a favourite MP in Kate Hoey but the Labour Party chose Gordon Brown as the Leader.
When you say you hate Brown & you use "utterly corrosive, Brown-inflicted crisis's and he's driving the party into the dirt"
I would like to persuade you differently about Gordon Brown & how the majority of our Party believes in him & from the tremendous result in the by-election win in Glasgow a lot of people in our Country feel he is the right man doing the most difficult job under extreme circumstances ie World economic tsunami & A war in Afghanistan that on all the information from the security services tells him he has got to defend & protect our Country from terrorism & join forces with allies(26 other Countries) to fight Al-qaeda & keep out the Taliban.
As if that wasn't enough to deal with along came MPS expenses furore.
Then there's more--The world has to deal with Swine flu-(Got to ensure people are informed & protected)-The horror of baby P and the terrible shock that our social services were failing vulnerable children. Never before has any PM had to deal with such a magnitude of difficulties & complex issues.Even the PM's WW1 & 2 had it easy compared to Gordon Brown--Remember there's also rolling 24/7 news to contend with.
I understand that the right wing media is attacking our PM and their actions are to ensure a Conservative win at the election & the PM is being blanked out & his daily tasks working for the Country & introducing policies to be implemented that are important changes to our lives are not being reported.
Unless you read Number 10 site you won't find out exactly what the PM & Government are doing. That is a disgraceful situation.
The Labour Party has always washed its dirty laundry in public(It is healthy politics to do so)They don't follow the Tories who are warned not to rock the boat & show there is any discord amongst them.
Gordon Brown is an accomplished Politician & has the respect from World Leaders & was recently awarded Statesman of the year for his quick actions & that stopped the World from not recession but a more serious depression.
He might not be your choice of Leader but he deserves more respect for his excellent hard work and
WE WILL WIN A FOURTH TERM WITH GORDON AT THE HELM--GAME ON--
The more worrying bit is when it gets called the Guidoisation of British politics. I know that Paul Delaire-Staines is inflating his ego there (possibly compensating for a lack of size elsewhere*) but who really wants to be seen as following his lead?
[*] Oops, you see, even I am doing it now.
Just curious, how many here vote on party lines only or votes because they have a good MP and it dosn't matter what party they belong to?
With me, my MP is Jeffrey Donaldson and I've been in contact with him several times in the last few years and he has been very helpful. Unfortunately his party have quite a few right wing religious fruitcakes in it, but because he's an excellent MP IMO he'll be getting my vote next year.
When we lose the next election it would be nice if there were some elements of Party left to build on while in opposition. But as everyday passes with Brown at the helm the less there will be to work with after the election.
We all know that after the election Brown will be dumped and then vilified for his effect on the Party and his handling of the election. I don't believe there is a single person who reads this blog who does not believe that. Many members and former members of the Cabinet have already reached that conclusion. What I can't stand is the weakness of those who stand by while Brown drives "our" party further into the dirt.
By the way, where are Derek and Damien these days?
Well ricki I am going to a selection meeting a week on Saturday so I may be fighting in a BNP stronghold not too far from where you live, but not in your ward.
The vocie of santity ( apart from Alex) , Thats what matters to voters , They hate the spin , lies . We dont need change in voting but change in MPS , We need a strong parliment and a honest Exucitve.
Danny ( messed up on registraison )
Good point ricki,
Lets talk about the environment, of which climate change is but a component, lets talk about crime, how many people have been murdered or violently beaten this year? Let's talk about Constitutional change and how campaigners have been let down, lets talk about how we will restore and build the economy across the country, or we can discuss education or agriculture or society and the ways our people are changing or lets talk about the media - and whether or not we are served by them, or food and nutrition, the armed forces, social services, the NHS...etc etc
I wonder how many of those have been discussed thispast six months by MP's with voters?
Alex, that really depends upon who is reading the headline. For the majority of people, they will be laughing if the Tories win, because most people want rid of this government. The people who won't be laughing are the grass roots Labour activists who put their heart and sole into campaigning and trying to get the vote out...
We need to discuss the real issues , The voters will decide at the election , How can we rebulid trust? .
ricki/ Danny ( I got the boxes confused and made a mess of my registraison)
It would take more than a minor change in policy in this country to ruin my day.
I agree John and Charlie as we saw yesterday a positive campign is good bu this is a bit of fun and fluff and part of he campaign HAS to be to warn people about the Tory danger. I hope we see the balance to this has well.
Trolls never have a poit John, I am a member of two other forums, one football one music and rolls have only one prupose, to stop debate.
It must be the predictability of the puritans amongst us who don't like even the teeniest difference of opinion.
Well done Homfray!
You're a good recruit Robathan!
Trolls they maybe but they have a point. A demon eyes campaign will backfire badly.
Just sayin'
the poster is quite funny and is Simon Cowell a labourite, I doubt it !!
Get moderating - this is meant to be LabourList
Written by a politics sketchwriter who also writes satire? It certainly looks like (low grade) satire. It is also just as convincing as low grade satire. And just as funny.
All we need now is Gordon Brown to appear and tell us that we are best placed to recover from the recession in Europe and the satire is complete..
Personally I think the campaign slogan "Gordon Brown: five more years" is far more telling..
So given this further news of our totally self-inflicted financial woes, here's a more appropriate shot of our breath-takingly incompetent PM and his chancellor.
http://tvotr.blogspot.com/
"The end of boom and bust", "We've saved the world". What a joke. I don't know how the Cabinet can look at themselves in the mirror whilst allowing that idiot to carry-on wrecking our society.
In all seriousness (if you can use that word to describe this poster) I find this slightly unsettling. I didn't like the "New Labour New Danger" ad in 97 and I don't like this one. I don't really understand what the point is. I guess it sort of means the Tories are "crap, but popular". Its still better than "crap and unpopular" which we have now!
When you're in power negative campaigning doesn't work because the Tories have actually DONE nothing, they are in opposition. You can't attack someone effectively with no evidence for what you're accusing them of.
Labour needs to stick to their record, Northern Ireland, minimum wage, equality laws.. bread and butter stuff. Its too late to win I feel and this ad will not help one bit.
I was offended at the time but it turned out to be true!
I'm not saying it doesn't amuse me, just don't think it should be on labour.org.uk.
It's 1997 once more:
* a hated government languishing in the polls
* sleaze affecting MPs
* a PM who whilst regarded as probably "a nice man" being seen as unable to control anything
* the government held as financial dolts who couldn't work an calculator properly
* a desperate desire for change running through the country
and
a stupid poster that says more about the party producing it than the one being attacked.
Yep step right up the "Jedward" poster for it's time for you to inherit the crass stupidity of the Tories 1997 vintage version of "Demon Eyes" Tony Blair.
History, it seems, does repeat itself, especially the stupid bits
I see what you did there!
Negative campaigning, marvellous! Lots, LOTS more please! Oh yes.