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The Labour Movement column
by Anthony Painter/ @anthonypainter
Back in October a neo-Thatcherite leader of the Conservative party, self-confidently told his party conference:
“It is more government that got us into this mess.
Why is our economy broken? Not just because Labour wrongly thought they'd abolished boom and bust. But because government got too big, spent too much and doubled the national debt.
Why is our society broken? Because government got too big, did too much and undermined responsibility.
Why are our politics broken? Because government got too big, promised too much and pretended it had all the answers.”
Last night, an equally self-confident, leader of the Conservative party delivered the Hugo Young lecture and called it The Big Society. Only this time he wasn’t neo-Thatcherite. You might even, in parts, describe the speech as Merkel-esque christian democracy:
“Galvanising, catalysing, prompting, encouraging and agitating for community engagement and social renewal. It must help families, individuals, charities and communities come together to solve problems.
We must use the state to remake society.”
David Cameron must be afflicted with a very bad state of cognitive dissonance this morning. It is just inconceivable that you can at once blame government for every ill in our society and at the same time call for more government to cure these ills. The damage caused by a little poison can’t be undone by drinking more if that’s your take on things.
And yet, last night’s speech was reminder of a David Cameron that has disappeared from the political scene. There was a time when he was interesting to listen to, constantly challenging, never letting the left settle intellectually. That all went out the window with the collapse of Northern Rock.
Before that rupture, you got a sense that he was trying to understand the nature of being progressive in a way that many of his colleagues, George Osborne being a case in point, just couldn’t. They used the language while it seemed that David Cameron might be trying to grasp the meaning.
And of course there was a large amount of intellectual dishonesty in the speech last night. In fairness, it’s politics and it’s just a few months before a general election so you probably wouldn’t expect anything else. For example, his analysis of what has happened to poverty under Labour was completely misleading- and deliberately so. For example, the Institute of Fiscal Studies has rejected the usefulness of ‘severe poverty’ as a measure as Left Foot Forward has explained. David Cameron stuck steadfastly to the concept despite knowing this.
The simple fact is that, according to the same IFS report, though 4 million children remain in relative poverty, it’s 300,000 fewer than in 1997. 900,000 pensioners had been taken out of poverty by 2008. It is true that the non-working, childless poor have been hit harder but that is partly a logic of active welfare- an approach that the Tories support.
But there is a sense beyond this that the David Cameron we heard last night does genuinely believe in some form of equality of opportunity- one that goes beyond the traditional Thatcherite notion of an equal opportunity to be unequal. He committed himself to early years provision for the poorest families; better education as a fall back for when families fail; and better adult education.
That’s all good stuff. Anyone who really believes that inequality is a severe hindrance to life chances and well-being would want to go much further than anything contemplated by the Leader of the Opposition. He bemoans poverty and inequality but is there really anything in his speech that confronts them in any meaningful sense? His re-orientation of the state could well improve things and there are some good ideas like bringing in the third sector where possible (and some ideas blatantly cribbed from Labour like performance-by-results welfare.)
The simple reality though is that poverty and deprivation are structural. They come down to things like class, your life chances heavily influenced by where you (or your parents) start off in the game of life.
Things like resources, assets, social capital, education, and political power all matter. The fashionable term for all this is capabilities. Equality of opportunity is fine but it is nowhere near enough. Even if a Conservative government did improve schools, invest more in skills, and provide early years support- much as the current government has done- it would fall short. A smarter, more responsive state that is more engaged with civil society in order to galvanise it towards social change sounds excellent. Unfortunately, the business of eliminating poverty and exclusion is far more onerous and expensive than that.
And because of this, it is also impossible to consider the social and political vision outlined by David Cameron last night without also mentioning his economic policy. One sure-fire way to empower the dark conference David Cameron over the light Hugo Young Lecture David Cameron is faltering growth. And yet, that is the risk that he would face if George Osborne followed through on his over-zealous and probably mistimed fiscal consolidation. The economy is likely to tank and that will be that other than for administrative reform.
Cognitive dissonance must at some point resolve itself in a consonance of some description. It is difficult to see the pre-September 2007 Cameron ultimately winning out. The Osborne-Coulson-Fox-Hague nexus will just be too strong. The fundamental challenges faced by economic circumstance- not least those engendered by his Chancellor- would be too great.
If the worst does happen and the Conservatives do win the next election, one very small consolation will be that somewhere, deep down, their Leader may just have a bit more intellectual sophistication than his colleagues- inadequate though that is. Which Cameron will emerge? I know where I’d place my bet. But you just never know.
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Blimey. I find myself agreeing with almost all of that, which is pretty much classic liberalism.
Tristram Hunt had an excellent critique of Cameron in the FT today which was basically saying that in calling himself Progressive, Cameron is talking the classic liberal talk, but when it comes down to it, he is not walking the economic walk.
A radical distinction between the industrious and the idle, and the need to prevent concentrations of power by taxing unearned income was central to the thinking of Chamberlain and the New Liberals. By contrast, Mr Cameron’s “progressive conservatism” believes in hammering non-domiciles with a £25,000 charge to help pay for the transfer of cossetted wealth down the generations.
For Team Cameron, the term “progressive” serves simply as a non-threatening adjective – the linguistic equivalent of posing for photo-opportunities with huskies and asking us to “hug a hoody”.
I really don't see Cameron doing anything about the idle rich, as the Liberals up to and including Lloyd George and Winston Churchill were set on doing.
He and the Tories prefer - like New Labour (and your good self) - to concentrate their firepower on the idle poor.
But the facts are we are massive underdogs to win the next election and we have to warn of the danger that the Tories policy will put all of us in.
Can anyone explai how you can have a policy on 'payment on outcomes' in the NHS.
Why? You should be looking to have some policies.
"education policy of possible voucher's"
That made me laugh. I am a bad person.
Is Cameron trying to say he will remove the Bof E's independence, an idea opposed by everyone or is he just a fool ?
not a difficult choice is it ?
If this has a key point of Cameron's policy is flawed just how much else is there ?
the Mike Homfray
unalloyed
totally real
undiluted
virgin pure
one pint in the glass
the full nine yards
troll-banned
independent
no troll
no debate
no thought
no opposition
'Go With Mike' blog!
PSSSST Alex - now there's someone called Stuart Homfray posting on LL! Are they by any chance related? We must be told!
Because why do I want to debate with any Tory defending Cameron because frankly I am very scared at what a tory win in the election could bring
- abolition of Ofcom allowing Murdoch to do and say what he likes with impunity
- Health service being 'paid by outcome' so what happens if I want anop with only a 20% success rate, does it get cancelled because it is not 'economical'
- 'Lord' ashcroft going on foreign trips to 'advise' Hague
- massive cuts in public service at a time the economy needs support yet they have still not said what they would really do
- education policy of possible voucher's, my god, how can education be competitive (by the way no way do I defend Labour in THAT area)
We should be looking at attacking Cameron because a possible new intake of tories could be more right wing than what was under thatch because at least then you had a large number of 'wets' who were prepared to argue against her. the new intake will all be Hannan 'lite'
A lot of the posts are by disgruntled Labour supporters, do you want to shut these people down as well? surely by allowing non Labour voters to voice there views will only help labour develop policy that would be acceptable to all?
But no, unfortunately for the Labour Party you have idiots like Homfray spouting trash, he is as bad as the traitor Brown who thinks its ok for his Party to reneg on Lisbon, immigration, expenses sleeze,the Police State, Bankers Bonuses and anyone who disagrees should be shut down and smeared as little Englanders.
To be honest come next Spring/Summer it will quieten down naturally, I and I suspect many other 'Tory Trolls' will be somewhere else complaining about crap Tory policy that is being suggested/implemented.
I'm not died in the wool and I already have a couple of items on my agenda for them. Be careful what you wish for.
For once I agree with Mike. I think everyone should be required to complete a questionnaire in order to establish that their views are acceptable.
And why limit the policy to LabourList? Do we really want incorrect opinion contaminating public discourse?
You say "it is increasingly difficult to get people involved in community activities". The reason for this lack of community support is that in a lot of areas it has not just been replaced by state apparatus but has been removed because of the belief that the state must intervene to solve all problems.
Whether it be child obesity, or lack of graduate employment, the state is always invited to offer a solution. THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THE STATE NEEDN'T BE INVOLVED. This is very difficult to do politically which is part of the reason for reduced community activity. If a minister were to say "we will set up community and charity based support to increase local solutions to local problems" the next time a problem arises he is called upon to be responsible for the problem. We have become so reliant on the state that any other solutions are not even discussed or even encouraged.
I see no problem with this speech and if its achieved seems to make a lot of sense. Thanks for making me aware of the speech, it seems very good. Thanks LL!
And I'm equally amazed that some commenters don't see that there is a philosophical gulf between 'it's the government that got us into this mess' and 'we need to use the state to remake society.' As a social democrat, I'd even feel a degree of caution towards the second statement. And yet we have a Conservative leader saying it.
I'm going to continue to write these articles from a centre-left perspective I'm afraid.....if that's not your cup of tea then can I suggest the excellent ConservativeHome? Otherwise, I look forward to continuing the discussion- but this is not 'negative campaigning' or anything remotely resembling it. Where I disagree with the Tories I will say why and argue my case. That's just the way it's going to be and that, ultimately, is the point of LabourList.
Far easier to campaign negatively than to re-invent yourself as Labour need to do.
I have a suggestion for him: rather than rewrite the same meaningless anti-Tory drivel, why got go away and come up with some (financially achievable) sensible Labour policies and then we can have a debate.
Instead we get petty point scoring.
And you wonder why people hate politics and politicians? Frankly they deserve utter contempt.. and this article shows why.
And when the Conservatives do the same, the same applies to them.
That's the truth of it.
It appears to be much more about exhaltation than actual hard detail.
"Big government" does not equal "big society"
and
"Big society" does not equal "big government"
In fact your article rather falls into the exact trap that Cameron accused the left off i.e. removing community and personal responsibility and replacing it with state apparatus.
"Galvanising, catalysing, prompting, encouraging and agitating for community engagement and social renewal. It must help families, individuals, charities and communities come together to solve problems"
Does not equate a "big state" far from it what is entails is less meddling form the centre, less proscription of behaviours, target setting and more devolving of power.
It is sad that you are too blinkered to see what his basic message was.
Personally I take issue with some of Cameron's speech because he seemed to imply it was a moral responsibility of individuals to commit to social engagement and community activity. Personally I'm far happier being a lone individual but I can see the point of encouraging those who want to engage to do so, so long as they don't bother me unduly.
Labour policies have been a disaster, and now Cameron is getting closer to power he is switching to adopt/support those same failed policies.
The conservatives need a leader who will support conservative policies, not one who supports failed labour policies.
Until the conservative have such a leader they do not deserve power.
A generous reading of Cameron's speech would suggest that it had been liften from the pages of Nudge (they Thaler & Sunnstein book that did the rounds in Westminster 18 months ago. A more accurate reading would notice that it only cribs off half the material. This active role for the State that Cameron talks about is nothing like that envisaged by New Governance, the system upon which Nudge is based. Not least, government is an integral part not only on starting the process, but in pushing, monitoring and more often than not funding it. In fact, it's about bringing civil society up to the level of gov't, not just about devolving power: it is the models that have followed the latter path that have failed constantly. There is a significant amount of literature out there about this: I only wish some of Cameron's policy unit had bothered to read it.
I thought you were clever? He's a One Nation Tory, simple as that. Around him, he has Atlancists, Free-Marketters but one thing they all agree on is tackling deprivation in this country.
The one thing that terrifies you and Labour is the Tories are going to take Labour's 'traditional' ground (the poor) and actually make a better stab of it than Labour ever have. What's more, they are going to notice. Public services are going to be taken out of State control, like education, and given to the ...... public. How progressive.
The question people will ask then is: "What is the point of Labour?"
Rhetorical really.
This is typical, there seems to be a need to publish material on LL, its the format adopted, volume over quality. I would rather see one quality article a day. There are too many who practice the “If Cameron says it then its trash and if its a Labour voice then its Gospel.”
One of the better stories of the week was when Kenneth Clarke said he would rather see a Labour government that a hung parliament. To me that is someone being pragmatic and I can respect that. For the record as a pro European Tory, Kenneth is totally at the other end of the political spectrum to me.
The sooner we get away from this ridiculous state of affairs the better. The electorate are not that stupid and when you present this material it just back fires. Look at the polls, it paints a picture.
Look let's simplify this:
1) Check out the comments on the "Against the Odds" video article published earlier. Basically it has lots of contributors who don't often post saying, more-or-less, 'I'd forgotten how much Labour has achieved'.
versus
2) The anti-Labour, Tory-troll-inspired hatred that this article will inevitably whip up in the comments section.
Quite simply publishing articles like this is useless and a terrible drain on the Party's morale.
I simply don't understand why Alex keeps publishing rubbish like this? It's 100% counter-productive.
Anybody????
They're perfectly compatible. Whether it's actually achievable is another question but in theory there is no reason why you cannot both decrease the size of the state and redirect what you retain to promote "remaking society".
In linguistic terms at least they're perfectly reconciled by that Tory slogan: "There is such a thing as society, it's just not the same thing as the state." In practical terms it's no more inherently contradictory than promising to cut spending while continuing to improve public services (your own party's line).
It's quite easy to polarise different approaches but it doesn't help.
Whatever you think it seems likely that the next government won't be Labour, and in that event we ALL need to unite in addressing the important issues of the future.
Partial and one-sided views are not required. For to do so would be a dereliction of care of the many people that not only need help but need to be better informed as to how they can help themselves. Self Help? That sounds familiar!
And one of the first things must be a far better education available to all - not determined by beggar your neighbour admission system bullying (thanks Ed balls) - but with a genuine commitment by all parties to IMPROVE EDUCATION.
Dogma don't do it Anthony.