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Why I'm considering legal action against the Guido/Hencke smear

by Derek Draper

I have been astonished this morning by a brazen attempt to smear me by Guido Fawkes and David Hencke of the Guardian. What makes this so reprehensible is that it is not about my work here at LabourList or as an ex-Labour spindoctor. I expect to be in the firing line for those activities.

But this is different. This is about my work as a psychotherapist. Every week I see vulnerable people, some with life threatening mental illnesses and it is a disgrace to call into question my professional qualifications on the most concocted and inaccurate of grounds.

I have never claimed to have attended U. C. (University of California) Berkeley. I have always said that I gained an M.A. in Clinical Psychology from a school in Berkeley. What is being alleged is akin to suggesting that if someone says they "studied economics in London" they are claiming to have studied at the LSE. U.C. Berkeley is a college. Berkeley is a town.

The Wright Institute, where I studied is a highly respected college. It is tightly regulated by the American Psychological Association. It happens to be next to the U. C. Berkeley campus, and we could use the U.C. library and gym. but the school is wholly independent.

Furthermore I did not attend the course described by Hencke. Indeed it did even not exist when I went to the college. My course was an M.A. and involved full time study. It also involved training placements involving thousands of hours of supervised clinical work. It is probably one of the most thorough and intense psychotherapy trainings in the world.

Both Hencke and Guido point to an error the Guardian made in a "details box" when they profiled me last summer. But that information never came from me. I didn't even see it at the time. After all, I am not a fact checker for the Guardian. In fact it was probably Hencke's mistake.

Several people have told me that Hencke colluded with Guido on this, an attempt to undermine me on the day of LabourList's launch.

This behaviour is unprofessional and, as I said earlier, reprehensible. That is why I have instructed my lawyers to consider what legal action I should take and to prepare a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission.

In a sense all this does is show how worried the right and their gullible partners in the mainstream media are about LabourList. But while they can attack my political activities as much as they like, they should leave my work as a therapist out of it.

 

Posted on Feb 12, 2009 at 07:15am

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Cat caught your tongue? That McBride thing seems to have shut you up.
Andrew Webb @ 45 weeks and 1 day ago
Issued any writs yet?
Mark Griffiths @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
"i don't like people spreading false information, as a psychologist or indeed a person" - http://twitter.com/derekdraper/status/1312100340

Wise words indeed but I thought you were a psychotherapist?
Richard Pearce @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Everything about you is narcissistic and dishonest Draper. The way you write is full of lies. You really should subject yourself to proper analysis. Any therapist worth his or her salt would see through you right away. You are a big sham.
Michael Irwin @ 47 weeks and 2 days ago
Well said Michael - hopefully he'll move on and take Hawkridge or whatever is name is with him.
Gordon Brown-Nose @ 52 weeks ago
And you wonder why people resort to Green Custard? Hardwidge if anyone is criminal and nutty it's got to be you and your ilk. Oh and I nearly forgot patronising.

If it doesn't follow party lines then delete it. What a great way to run a democracy. Can't wait to see your comments once anybody apart from Labour get in at the next election.
Gordon Brown-Nose @ 52 weeks ago
Agree completely Aaron. Derek, stop your bl**dy whining and actually DO SOMETHING POSITIVE!!!

Fat chance of that though!
Gordon Brown-Nose @ 52 weeks ago
Fair play Mark. Unfortunately I am begining to think Mr D is typical Labour and making it up as he goes along.

I joined this list to try and find out more about what Labour are up to but mostly it seems to be bleating on about the Tories and avoiding answering difficult questions.
Gordon Brown-Nose @ 52 weeks ago
Actually Neil we are not all from Tory HQ. Some of us are ordinary people that voted for BS Blair and all his lies in 1997 and are now sick to death of all the lies and spin put out by you lot.

Please stick with your line of "it's all down to the media" as you won't see the kicking you are going to get come the election.

The shame is there are a few decent Labour MP's out there who will possibly lose their seats because of the mess of others.
Gordon Brown-Nose @ 52 weeks ago
thx charles, you are a gentleman

my colleague alex is a bit in love with you and he's straight!
Derek Draper @ 55 weeks ago
That's rich coming from someone who used to clog up the BBC site with pointless, off-topic ramblings about Zen and Martial Arts.

I thought you'd "retired from online comment". If you've reconsidered, please re-reconsider.
Mark Smith @ 55 weeks ago
"I could write pages of crap"

You often do. Don't worry though, nobody ever takes it seriously.
Mark Smith @ 55 weeks ago
Actually, this blog and it's comments fits the abour List ideal perfectly. Make a statement open to interpretation because of its ambiguous nature, claim ayone who contradicts it of a slur, threaten and bully but not bother to tell the truth. I believe this degree began in America and has spread to all the countries of the world. Blame the bankers.
Anthony Bliar @ 55 weeks and 3 days ago
It's obviously unlawful/illegal to lie on a CV, but perfectly legal to word your CV in a way that allows a "better" impression to be give. For example, I say I have a BSc (Hons) from a reasonable university, but I don't mention that its a third class degree. I do tell the truth if directly asked, but I've never been asked in at least 10 years.

Similarly many people say they went to Oxford (Jeffrey Archer?) or Cambridge for their education but omit to mention that it wasn't the real university.

It seems you have been equally vague (until now) on your CV details, so you can hardly complain if someone picks you up on it.
Anoni Mouse @ 55 weeks and 4 days ago
Hmmmm..... Guido doesn't seem to be following your script. His latest blog posting reads:

"Guido has more bad news for Derek - Guido has more evidence coming that Draper has misled people as to the source of his qualifications. Come on Derek, serve that writ or "you can just f**k off."
Max Sceptic @ 55 weeks and 4 days ago
Thanks, Derek, for answering on your new personal blog.
Mark Fulford @ 55 weeks and 4 days ago
What, like that scoundrel "Mark Fulford"?
Mark Fulford @ 55 weeks and 4 days ago
Careful Mark, there may be a writ coming you way for that sort of thinking...

*mustn't question what we've been told*
*Derek Draper's above scrutiny*
MisterE . @ 55 weeks and 4 days ago
Thanks, but are you really surprised that a Labour party 'free thinking' blogsite is subject to strict comment moderation & censorship??

I'm not - can't have the people detracting from 'the message', can we? Who cares what they have to say...
MisterE . @ 55 weeks and 4 days ago
Have you not notice how right wing many forums and boards became after Lord Ashcroft of Tax Dodge gave Dave+1 a large bag of money? Its because the first thing they invested it in was a small but very effective team of people who work out of Tory HQ, and whose sole job it is to comment on discussion boards and fill in opinion poll questionnaires. Each individual has multiple accounts with the relevant site (e.g. BBC, YouGov, Tory Blogs & now here) and each day they are given “hot topic” issues to rant on, and key phrases and tones to use (poplar ones being “Nu-Labour” and anti-Scottish jibes).
It’s an effective strategy for forming and bolstering public opinion: opinion poles are skewed leading policy makers to bend to a nonexistent wind; media outlets run with stories that gain “fast board reaction” and editorialise in favour of the “reaction”; the public react to the proscribed media line.
As I said it is an effective strategy for opinion forming, but as the consultants who sold this idea to Dave+1 already know, it doesn’t translate into electoral gains.
Neil Fraser @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
To be honest, that Guido site is a such a joke I wouldn't blame him for going with it both barrels.

I remember "Guido" on Newsnight a while back. What an absolute embarassment - a cheap, rightwing lunatic with delusions of mediocrity.

I'm not a big fan of Draper, but I'd love to see him take Guido down a peg or two.
Andrew H @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
My guess is it's because their comments don't stack up and they want to boost the illusion of numbers. It's just competitive behaviour. They can't "win" on their merits and don't want to show up how unrepresentitive they are. It's an irony of life that they're showing themselves up for what they are. How sad is that?
Charles Hardwidge @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
What I have never understood is why do the vermin(apologise to rats everywhere, maybe I should have used the word "scum") on Guido and the posters on ConHome change their messageboard names when they post on here.
RED RAG ! @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Derek, on your personal website[1] you say, "I have an M.A. in clinical psychology and spent three years in Berkeley, California, training full time to be a psychotherapist." From the Internet Archive of your site [2], those three years seem to be around 2004, correct?

I've also been reading the archive of the Wright Institute's website. Perhaps I'm missing something but, from what I've seen, until 2006 they only offered Psy.D. courses[3]. In 2004 their FAQ [4] said, "We have chosen to concentrate all our energy and resources on a single program" and "A few students finish in four years, however, the average number of years it takes to complete the degree is between five and six."

Given the previous confusion in the media over which college in Berkeley, California you attended, I think it's legitimate to ask you, Derek, precisely what courses you completed in Berkeley, California (or anywhere else)?

References:
1. http://www.derekdraper.net/about3.htm
2. http://web.archive.org/web/20040608070309/http://derekdraper.net/
3. http://web.archive.org/web/20040402012253/http://wrightinst.edu/pd/index.html#curriculum
4. http://web.archive.org/web/20040404065520/wrightinst.edu/ad/ad_faq.html
Mark Fulford @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Troll and flamebait comments become an issue if they go above about 5%. This is consistent with criminals and nutters in society. Trouble breeds trouble so it's best to shut it down or shove it out of the way before it takes over the place. That's pretty much a fact and anyone who says different is lying or doesn't know what they're talking about.
Charles Hardwidge @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
As a therapist and former spin-doctor you should've had a better clue. Hencke and Staines caught you in a position where your pants were down. They're just stirring up trouble and want attention, and you just gave them their hit.

I'm generally pleased that Labour's policies have taken a few steps closer to my own position but it's taking a while for Labour's people to get behind that. If you focus on improving yourself that's a better investment, and changes the cause and effect equation. This leaves Hencke and Stains powerless and looking a little sad.

I could write pages of crap and recommend some books but, I'm sure, you've pretty much got the point by now. You have to polish the brand and whatever anyone else says you have to *delete* the troll and flamebait comments. The games industry was dealing with this for years before politicians ever hit the internet. You're late to the party. Learn from people who've been there before and made all the mistakes you're making now and *don't* repeat them.

Anyway, whatever anyone says you've hauled ass. This place isn't perfect but there's nothing about it that can't be fixed and it's early days. Some people may complain but that's only because they're interested and want to share in a success.
Charles Hardwidge @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Why is the last post by MisterE deleted? I have no idea who this blogger is, but stating that he's had a laugh and complementing HMG on the current economic situation is hardly a hanging offence.

Honestly, what Control Planet are you on? Mr Mandelson said on this site that this kinda behaviour was well passed its sell-by date. Deleting views doesn't make them go away - they just pop up somewhere else.
Mister Wolf @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Certainly some more editorial rigour would be welcomed.

Is this Derek's List or Labour's?
Emma Burnell @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
One of the endearing quirks of the Guardian is that it corrects every error drawn to its attention, no matter how banal. Did you seek a correction/clarification when you saw the reference to Berkeley U of C printed in the biog piece they did on you... (and please don't say you didn't read it)? A deceptive ambiguity in your biography lead to a misrepresentation in your favour that you chose not to correct when it was published. What conclusion should one draw?

I would especially caution against flashing legal threats around when it is you that has been caught with your pants down. Those threats will turn out to be empty and ill-judged. What do you think Hencke and Guido will do when your lawyers point out you have no case whatsoever?

Just in case you don't understand the difference: truthfulness is not saying only what can be pedantically shown to be correct in a linguistic analysis, it means that the most natural interpretation of what you say has to reflect reality as closely as possible. The former is spin, the latter is honesty.

And finally, stop contaminating this site with your tedious personal obsessions... it would be a shame if any growth in hits on LabourList could be attributed to the voyeuristic pleasure of watching your public decline and humiliation.

Now grow up and do some serious work - or move on.

MD
Michael Davies @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
You have to laugh really. High dudgeon from Mr Draper.As some -most?- of your bloggers have pointed out it ill becomes New Labour to come over all indignant. I am quite sure you let this little inconsistency pass because you liked the idea of having been at Berkeley.By the way why is this site listed as 'independent' and 'grass roots'? Another bit of wishful thinking?
Wilma Miller @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Derek, this website may be run by you, but it is not about you. It is about the Labour Party.

I very much enjoy the many thought provoking and interesting subjects, but please keep these sort of things to a personal blog as it simply does not belong here. Its very 'unprofessional'.
Tim Davies @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Labourlist - Where Labour minded people come together.....

Or to discuss the vagaries of Derek Draper's educational status.

Not the point of the website I am guessing. Or would the Ministers who have previously contributed to this website disagree? Assuming of course the contributions actually were authored by the named individuals.
Mark Ferres @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Good luck with the PCC: it's crap.

http://blog.matthewcain.co.uk/the-press-complaints-commission-must-be-reformed/
Matthew Cain @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Just let it go. Even if you are correct and you've never actually
SAID you went to Berkeley, you did give that impression in the use
of wording. Deliberately, if we're honest, right?

This isn't a hanging offense. You were caught out in a spin.
By getting "high and mighty" about it and threatening legal action
you risk derailing yourself. If I were you I'd throw my hands
up, grin foolishly, and say the spinnable equivalent of "fair cop".
It'll blow over quickly and you'll garner some respect in some
quarters. Your present course of action will lose you respect
in all quarters.
Steve Tierney @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Grow up. If you are honest and transparent these sort of problems just don't arise. If your website said "I have an M.A. in Clinical Psychology from the Wright Institute in Berkeley", nobody would care. The fact that you left out the "Wright Institute" bit but kept the "Berkeley" indicates that you wanted people to think you had trained at the more prestigious U of C.

Threats of legal action are just bluster, and a self-indulgent distraction from what this site should be focusing on.
Aaron Collins @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
When I say I studied in Oxford, I'm well aware of the impression I wish to convey. Caution in the future eh? If I were you I'd let the matter die, don't let them smother Labourlist at birth.
Thomas Hardman @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
...several people have told me he colluded with Guido on this, an attempt to undermine me on the day of LabourList's launch... Unbelievable hypocrisy. The biter bit. Ever heard of spin, Derek?
The other day it was Peter Mandelson, now you, having a laugh.

...after all, I'm not a fact checker for the Guardian....
A question Derek; if the Guardian had printed something in the details box which a sensible and competent person considered to be demeaning to them would you not expect them to get on the 'phone PDQ and had it rectified? Silence signifies consent; or are you claiming that you were unaware of what the Guardian had written. If so it says little for your diligence and competence as a person of political office not to check an article written about you in a major national newspaper.
..I have instructed my lawyer...
A fool and his money are soon parted comes to mind.

Grow up. You have been caught out allowing the impression to spread that you attended a particular prestigious institution when you did not.

Mark Culley @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
good fun this blogging malarkey eh Derek?

I'm off to get some popcorn.
Old Holborn @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
“Both Hencke and Guido point to an error the Guardian made in a "details box" when they profiled me last summer. But that information never came from me. I didn't even see it at the time. After all, I am not a fact checker for the Guardian. In fact it was probably Hencke's mistake.”

Your right they should check their facts; I hear Wikipedia’s good for that.
Neil Fraser @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Guardian won't rest until Cameron's in No 10. Its the only way their LibDem chums will get a sniff of power!
Tudor Evans @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Your professional website states: "I have an M.A. in clinical psychology and spent three years in Berkeley, California, training full time to be a psychotherapist." Maybe you should change this for the sake of clarity.
Rosemary Showell @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Oh dear ....


"Draper gave an interview to Matt Keating at the Guardian in September 2005 where he didn't bother to correct the impression that he was at - not 'in' UCal Berkeley.

"Draper decided to train abroad. He moved to San Francisco, a "fantastic place for psychotherapists", and enrolled in a full-time MA in clinical
psychology at UC Berkeley, California. The course offered "very hands-on training", with students embarking on supervised consultations within the first month. By graduation, he had completed 1,500 supervised hours.
An average working week consists of three days seeing patients and one day of study, including a doctorate in psychoanalytical studies at Essex University and research on individual case problems."

Has Essex University ever heard of him either? They ought to be holding his doctoral thesis if he ever completed one. Or maybe he meant some other Essex University, not the one at Essex UK."
Barry Hunt @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Instruct your lawyers if you feel you must, but isn't this collective blog supposed to be about Labour party and Labour movement issues? In passing, the notion of 'instructing my lawyers' is not a phrase likely to endear you, or by proxy Labourlist, to readers who do not have lawyers to call their own, would need to get the yellow pages out if they needed one, and would then need to check what the hourly rate was and whether they could afford it.
Paul Cotterill @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
What has this to do with Labour?

This appears to be a personal problem between you and Hencke/Guido.

Can't you do this whining on your personal blog?
crown blog @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Derek
I do find your attitude slightly odd especially as a pschotherapist.
Surely you should remain calm and reasoned but in most of your dealings with the like of Iain Dale and the Taxpayers alliance you seem to get very het up.
With regards to this incident perhaps you will be a bit more careful now before you start throwing dirt around on people in the Blogosphere.
Guido normally doesnt put stuff up unless there is a majority of truth in the article.

People in glass houses and all that....
adam clump @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
"In a sense all this does is show how worried the right and their gullible partners in the mainstream media are about LabourList."

Very funny.
pond life @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
My advice would be along the lines of "leave it, they ain't worth it". By rising to their bait you risk puffing up their overblown sense of self-importance.

The Guardian seems to have slipped into world-weary nihilism; the state of choice during Labour administrations for many allegedly left-leaning theorists who can't face the realities of power or acknowledge the difficulties of actually getting progressive things done in this most conservative of countries. Its continuing to employ a self-confessed cynical old git such as George Monbiot, who seems to be too lazy or too precious to get involved in real politics other than at the sniping level, illustrates the point...
Brian Hughes @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Semantics Derek, semantics...

I interview people as part of my job and CV's carrying this kind of semantic implication is common.

Once questioned, they invariably end up in the bin.

When you studied for an M.A. you list the college it was obtained from, anyone who has compiled their CV knows this.

Mike Thomas @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
I'm sure that the Wright Institute is splendid, but did you mention it by name on your on line CV or similar material?

If not, isn't there something in the point that "in Berkeley" suggests "at Berkeley"?
Mark Cannon @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Yes, bloody right wing press. It's about time we did something about those Tory boys at the Guardian.
Hugh Pettit @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Let me get this straight, its fine for you to call Dale a racist but not for Guido to call you a liar?
Lilith Stuff @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Ah, bless. Get over it man!
Man in the Street @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
This site seems to be getting more and more about Derek Draper and less and less about Labour and it's problems and ideas.

Alan Giles @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago
Come on Derek, that's like saying "I have a degree in Maths from Oxford" when you went to Oxford Brookes! You should have mentioned the Wright Institute upfront. All this is seeing LabourList constantly plagued by your personal issues, too much involves Derek Draper instead of social justice and the fight for equality.
Sarvinder Gupta @ 55 weeks and 5 days ago