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The limits of No Platform

Oxford Union No PlatformBy VoteRedGoGreen

I haven’t run this past the other comrades of the Paintbrush Collective yet, and I’m not entirely sure whether they would agree. So, to be clear, this is very much a personal view, so if you’re going to send us any excrement in the post, please make sure it’s clearly addressed to me.

First things first: I am a No Platformer. In my student days I vigorously defended our Student Union’s No Platform policy (and fought to strengthen it); was in favour of the NUS having a No Platform policy; and I helped organise large-scale opposition to Nick Griffin and David Irving’s visit to the Oxford Union Society in November 2007 (in fact, I resigned my Union membership in protest – which is £150 that I’ll never see again). I don’t repudiate any of that.

No Platform is not an aberration of free speech: the right to freedom of speech is one guaranteed by the State, and protects against state persecution on the basis of what you say. Free speech doesn’t mean that a private body – like a debating society, or a student union, or a trade union – has an obligation to allow its resources and prominence to be used by anyone.

In fact, they have a perfect right to deny these things to people whom they believe to lie outside of the best interests of their organisation. To say otherwise is to hold a position that would oblige an organisation to have a member of the Flat Earth Society present for any discussion of geography, so that they could point out the dangers of falling off the edge of the Earth.

Also, I believe that No Platform works. It’s not a cure-all for the Fascism problem, but it’s an important weapon in the fight. It contributes to the public perception of Fascists and Racists and being indecent, uncivillised, and at odds with the broadly liberal democratic values on which society and the political system rest – in short, very starkly outside of the political mainstream.

No Platform has also, I believe, protected a large number of people from danger and harassment. In addition to political reasons, I believed that the Oxford Student Union needed a No Platform policy so that its ethnic minority, gay, and disabled members could enjoy their student experience without the very definite risk to their personal wellbeing and security posed by BNP and other Fascist activism.

Nick GriffinBut on the issue of Nick Griffin’s likely invitation to appear on Question Time, I am a little more equivocal.

Obviously, I would prefer that he was never on the airwaves; but I would also prefer that he were not an MEP, and unfortunately, he is.

I have to grudgingly accept that the BBC’s policy – in line with OFCOM’s rules about political impartiality – are fair; there’s no other way for any British broadcaster to balance political parties other than according to their level of electoral success, especially if it’s a public service broadcaster like the BBC.

I would still fight for the right – and moral imperative – of a private organisation to No Platform the BNP; I would encourage, for example, voluntary organisations who hold election hustings meetings to No Platform BNP election candidates, and if I were a Labour candidate I would refuse to share such a platform with a BNP member if we were both invited.

The point is, though, that broadcasting is different. It has to be.

So if we’re going to have a genuinely impartial broadcast media, we have to grit our teeth when that means the BNP leader gets to go on Question Time. That’s not the BBC’s fault – the uncomfortable truth is that it’s down to the number of people who voted for him, and the ultimate failure of the Anti-Fascist movement to persuade them not to.

Question TimeAnd if Griffin does go on Question Time, he’ll be able to spout his prejudice, but also his lies and innuendo with which he dresses his raw, naked racial hatred. As far as I’m concerned, the only thing worse that Nick Griffin going on Question Time is him being able to do this unchallenged.

I don’t generally buy the “defeat them in debate” argument, since hatred is not an argument, and therefore cannot be defeated by reasoned inquiry and opposition.

But this is an argument for not holding a debate. Once one is going to happen anyway, damage limitation is required – this means that someone is at least needed to point out the untruths and the window dressing and expose the fact that underpinning it all is pure, unadorned racism.

To this end, as a good No Platformer, I think that Labour should find someone who will be able to hold their nose and share a studio with Griffin – or at least reach some arrangement with the BBC whereby we are able to rebut his points directly (perhaps by having back-to-back programmes).

Labour Party members should support this view – if only because, from where we are now, the alternative is even worse.

Posted on Sep 09, 2009 at 04:56pm

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The BNP on QT is a very thorny issue. I understand those who claim BNP should be allowed the platform in order for their
views to be rebuffed and those who advocate they shouldnt since theyre racist.

A point of thought to those who belong to the first point of view.

If someone is hell bent on a set of values and in this case racist values then will a TV debate that is meant to counter
their views ultimately serve to change or make them think differently?

We all agree BNP is a racist party so should a publicly funded body like the BBC allow a racist to DEFEND and PUBLICISE his
views?

Imagine an ethnic, actually we're all ethnics so let me rephrase. imagine an ethnic minority BBC license payer sitting
watching a channel he or she pays for, airing openly racist views. dont you think he or she will feel they are being treated
unfairly?

Yes the BNP have been successful but does there success really warrant a national platform - do the figures
justify it?

Finally, BBC has studios in most regions of the country so why dont they live up to their party impartiality and be fair
to an unfair party by holding a special QT in a BNP strong hold. Maybe they could get Kilroy to host it.

Niqo Adams @ 26 weeks and 6 days ago
You lack the strategic view and/or aren't as sneaky as me.
Charles Hardwidge @ 26 weeks and 6 days ago
How would that work?

Unless his election slogan is "Let's go home", I'm not sure how he'll deal with their policy aim of removing "ethnic foreigners" from the country.
MonkeyBot 5000 @ 26 weeks and 6 days ago
Give the guy enough rope and he'll hang himself.

Denying him the same platform as any other elected representative merely helps the BNP portray themselves as working class martyrs fighting against an intelligentsia which is influenced by people of racial or religious backgrounds they don't care for and who hate the white working class.

When actually they should be confronted with real questions such as; How many generations does someones family have to be here before they want rid of them?

(Tricky one for the Queen that, given that after the German Prince Albert, there was Queen Alexandra (Denmark) & Queen Mary(of Teck). Should highlight the BNP as spouters of bollocks on that score alone. That of course and the fact that a certain Sir W.S. Churchill was part Iroquios via his American mother. The rights of Ghurka veterans to come to Britain, etc.)

I'm sure there's other equally difficult questions for them to answer which cause them to appear just as deeply anti-British, if they answer the questions.
Thomas Fairfax @ 27 weeks ago
Hi labourlist

I despise what you say , But i will fight to the death with you to defend it

The bnp are alegal party like the torys and lib dems they hold a seat on the london assembley and have 2 eleceted meps .

Stop running away and confront them with facts not bluster

ricki
ricki lake @ 27 weeks ago
My general view is that bad leadership and poverty in immigrant people isn't a great thing. While some of that isn't their fault some of it is. As they've taken some responsibility I'm minded to think the BNP should do the same. Some people may disagree but after the face saving and armwaving is done it's conceivable the BNP could field an immigrant candidate in an immigrant community and win sometime closer than people suppose.
Charles Hardwidge @ 27 weeks ago
I would love to see Nick Griffin on Question Time - could be as much fun as watching Eric Pickles making a fool of himself.

The only thing that could do more to harm the BNP's chances is if they announced Gordon Brown was going to lead them into the next election.
MonkeyBot 5000 @ 27 weeks ago
Ahhh, I understand now. Democracy is okay as long as it agrees with what you believe!

Like it or loathe it, the BNP are gaining ground and getting a good number of people to vote for them and if they want to appear on Question Time, and QT invites them, brilliant. The sooner the nation sees that they have little or nothing of value to say, the better.

Deny someone a platform, you are likely to make them a martyr to the people who vote for them, but allow them the platform, debate with them on a reasoned level and when they fall apart you ensure they will get no new voters joining their ranks.

What is it exactly that you are scared of with giving the BNP any sort of platform? Do you think the majority will all of a sudden become racist and choose to vote BNP? Do you really believe that the nation are so easily played by political parties that they would advocate wholesale deportations of people who were born here in the UK?

This is the problem, you're trying to minus a voice, but if you just let that voice speak, that voice will do more damage to its own cause than you could ever do by trying to stop it.

Trust the electorate, trust the judgement of the reasonable people of Britain and let the BNP do what they do best, dig holes and fall into them.
Bill Dewison @ 27 weeks ago
Olly - I don't disagree that it's necessary to defeat the lies of the BNP, and that sufficient research and preparation are vital. This is entirely consistent with a No Platform position - you can disseminate your rebuttal through assidious political camapigning. Whilst you're doing this, though, private organizations who agree that the BNP need to be stopped would do well to avoid inadvertently allowing them a greater prominence and respectability than they strictly merit.
If they want to hold meetings, or print pamphlets, or publish websites, fine - the law allows them to, and so it should. But they shouldn't expect any help from me, or any organization of which I am a member.
VoteRed GoGreen @ 27 weeks ago
past the wars of the last century and the oh-so-last-year concept of nudge , we are now in the world of snub....India has shown it's mastery of this of late and also the Brits and the Israeli when they walked out of a holocaust denial speech by the Iranian president.


Mr Giffin should be snubbed if that is the mainstream opinion in this country. That though does not appear to be the case.



He should be heard.
ash cash @ 27 weeks ago
I think you misunderstand the purpose of public debate.

It is not to convert your opponent, its not for their benefit - public debate is for the benefit of the audience.

If your opponent doesn't respond to rational argument, just ensure that this is clearly demonstrated to the audience.

If someone shouts down an opponent or 'no platforms' them then I tend to assume it is because they don't believe they can present a better case to the audience...
tory 'killed for telling the uncomfortable truth' troll @ 27 weeks ago
Giving kooks a free pass to the top table is a mistake but so is ignoring the underlying problems that drive the issues they speak for. Labour party corporatism (and big party complicity) have tried to control discussion and stifle people. Let's just say you get the minority party and vote distribution you deserve.

Note: I hate the word "debate" and focusing on big party's being the gatekeepers to platforms and issues. Debate is a nonsense and self-appointed gatekeepers merely add to that problem. It just fuels arguing and people feeling marginalised. This is why I prefer "thesis" (or "discussion") and online venues to any party involvement.

Who has to get over what?
Charles Hardwidge @ 27 weeks ago
An eloquent post which I agree and disagree with in parts. As a committed opponent of 'no platform' I disagree with the early part of your polemic, but agree with your conclusion. Winning a debate against the BNP is a false economy because they refuse to articulate an opinion that isn't based upon fallacy after fallacy.

However it is possible, with sufficent research and preperation, to expose their lies and half truths and I would expect any minister who shares a stage with Nick Griffin to be well versed in the arguments against his nonsense.

This is the most interesting and well thought through defense of no-platform I have seen so far. But I'm sorry to say that I am still of the opinion that no-platform is political suicide.
Olly Deed @ 27 weeks ago