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LabourList is drowned out by ego-stroking testosterone - It's time for a virtual feminist party

By Rowenna DavisIWD

LabourList Guest Editor

According to the UN, the average woman speaks 20,000 words a day whilst the average guy speaks just 7,000. Yet when it comes to political conversations online, women are still massively under-represented.

The political blogosphere is increasingly coming to mirror the gung ho boys club that is the House of Commons. Online and off, proper debate is being drowned out by testosterone, ego stroking and petit point scoring. If women are to advance gender equality, they need to start reclaiming the political web space. Now.

To date, the laddish LabourListers - with their emphasis on donuts, techie banter and zero female employees - haven’t really helped the problem. But to their credit, they have invited me to be Guest Editor to help balance the office’s oestrogen- testosterone ratio for one day of the year, next Monday - to celebrate International Women’s Day.

So on Monday, LabourList will be a man-free zone, and women will be taking over the political space.

If you ask me, they’ve let "woman trouble" in through the virtual front door.

Once inside, I’ll be asking a bunch of sassy intelligent women from all ends of the political spectrum to speak their minds on exactly what Labour should do (and stop doing) to advance gender equality in the UK. We’re going to have a virtual feminist party - hosted by the men at LabourList – and everyone’s invited. When we’re done, we’ll leave them to pick up the pieces.

Heading up the guest list will be Fiona Millar talking about Thatcher’s legacy on women in politics and Harriet Harman on how to stop “old boys networks” from “profiting from discretionary bonus and pension systems”. MEP Mary Honeyball and her assistant Holly Sutton will be arguing (on opposite sides!?) about whether 50:50 representation is a good thing, whilst Jessica Asato has a surprise for us.

Outside of the mainstream Labour oestrogen pool we’ll be hearing from the likes of maverick feminist blogger Penny Red on popular sexism, and feminist and community activist Anne-Marie O’Reilly on how Labour’s new Welfare Bill discriminates against single mothers.

The proliferation of gender inequality in the UK means that these guest bloggers will have a lot to talk about. The traditional pay gap is still going strong at 17%, rising to 40% in the city. Just one in ten directors of FTSE 100 companies are women, and less than 20% of all MPs are female. Meanwhile recent research since the financial crisis suggests that 40% of women - all too often at the bottom of the economic pile - are worrying about how to pay the bills as compared to just 27% of men.

These kinds of figures are unacceptable, and we need to get talking about them. So please – men, women, those who prefer to leave their gender unspecified – spare us some of your 7,000 or 20,000 words a day, and join the debate.

Posted on Mar 06, 2009 at 11:54am


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Sed Mara @ 38 weeks and 2 days ago
If you want some advice from a bloke; I could of written that article in half the number of words.
Dan McCurry @ 72 weeks and 3 days ago
"Once inside, I’ll be asking a bunch of sassy intelligent women from all ends of the political spectrum to speak their minds on exactly what Labour should do (and stop doing) to advance gender equality in the UK. "
It's a pity your contributors are mainly privately educated and living in London; lacks a little balance.
Neil Fraser @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
Oh for the love of god. You want equality - then mention feminism, eostrogen, womens trouble, your feminist party will be hosted by men, and you are all going to duscuss how unfair it is to be a woman. Do you really think this is what the famales in britain care about. You lot sound more bloody sexist than the men.
Mummy Longlegs @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
I am actually shocked by the comments on here. I am going to assume that most of them are Tories - they are similar to the misogyny and homophobia on other blogs - but even so, they show why blogs are such a male domain. If simply raising questions about inequality attracts this amount of abuse, what hope is there? (Male, Labour member, fully supportive of AWS and other measures to reduce inequality).
S W @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
A great website- am enjoying the comments more than the articles!
David Shepherd @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
Is it the time of the month? Lots of whiny articles all of a sudden.
Man in the Street @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
International Wittering Day, more like.

I've had more coherent reasoning out of a drunken lemur.
Obnoxio The Clown @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
The responses to Rowena show just how needed she is - and given how boring and banal most of them are, why women mainly don't bother. They have better things to do
Vicky Seddon @ 73 weeks ago
"So on Monday, LabourList will be a man-free zone, and women will be taking over the political space."

This is blatant sexual discrimination!

I shall register a complain with the Equal Rights Commission (or whatever pointless, bloated and useless quango was set up to address such 'injustices').
Max Sceptic @ 73 weeks ago
Oh come on Maxime, It'll be great fun, us girls can have good old chick chat without the boys.






Crazy Carrot @ 73 weeks ago
Ooooh, you're soooo right Carrotine. I can show you my new free-range lentils which I bought to alleviate poverty in the third world and we can discuss how our Aussie sisters are dealing with their rampant rabbit problems in the outback.
Max Sceptic @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
Looking forward to it already SISTER, see you monday, Ill bring a recipe. You can bring your own rabbit.
Crazy Carrot @ 72 weeks and 6 days ago
"Maverick feminist blogger"? Shouldn't that read "my mate Laurie who has a blog that's a bit angry but ultimately predictable and impotent".

I find the whole attitude of this post quite insulting to women like Kerry McCarthy, who put the effort in without resorting to sensationalist flag waving.

Can't wait to see what Ms. Asato has in store to suprise us with, a balanced and well thought out argument perhaps?
Winston Smith @ 73 weeks ago
Male and female, virtual jobshare prime minister...beat that for the cutting edge of gender blogotics!!! Anything goes on Wannabepm?
Ivor Dunmoanin and Polly Tix
http://wannabepm.blogspot.com/2009/03/democracy-for-poor.html
Ivor Dunmoanin @ 73 weeks ago
But above all, its difficult to take seriously an article on "ego-stroking testosterone" when its going to be part fronted by Harriet. Is this planned to be a blog or an election rally?
chris jones @ 73 weeks ago
"Just one in ten directors of FTSE 100 companies are women" ......... probably all the sums involved


"and less than 20% of all MPs are female" ...... but its so hard these days to pay the nanny on expenses isn't it.
chris jones @ 73 weeks ago
I love this website, I'm a Tory and am given so much heart by the vitriol that spews forth towards every article. It seems that even Labour supporters hate the party - because it isn't Labour any more.

As for this article, interesting question but a pointless one. The internet is the most freeing medium there is. If women want to blog then go for it, no-one's stopping you. It would be great, more balance, a different perspective and perhaps less sniping and mud slinging. But its up to women, maybe you can get Harriet Harperson and her "ministry for women" (is there anything more sexist?) to sort it out.
Thomas Snoxell @ 73 weeks ago
What a load of old baloney. Blogs are free. Get one and write. Man or woman, it doesn't matter. There is no old boys club for blogging, anybody can do it. If women are too busy buying shoes to blog, that's not anybody's problem but their own. This lunatic obsession with quotas is an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Obnoxio The Clown @ 73 weeks ago
And let's face it, it's pretty tough to insult yours.
Tom Miller @ 73 weeks ago
Woo. Fantastic ad hominem attack there, Tom. Why not point out why my argument is incorrect?
Obnoxio The Clown @ 73 weeks ago
Judging by your attempts at engaging the commentators on this blog, you're not exactly of startling intellect yourself Tom.
Winston Smith @ 73 weeks ago
With such a blatantly sexist article I am tempted to say that I have always considered that quality was more important than length
chris jones @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Is that women with or without custard?



Crazy Carrot @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Rowenna - what do you mean by 'zero female employees' in para 3? It is undoubtedly true that bloggers in politics - like
in technology - seems to be male-dominated, but unless you are reading different polls than me I would be a bit more
worried about how you are going to attract female voters attracted by David Cameron and his very different approach to Tory
politics. Besides, I've known Derek for 25 years and know he is in touch with his 'eminine side' As to the custarding of
Peter, pity the moron didnt upend it over herself.
@ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
How about an article from Leila Deen on why she felt the need to custard the unelected toff and rich man's friend Mandelson? I still can't decide which was funnier, the act itself or JP and Draper getting all huffy about it.
Charlie Farley @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Just out of interest: what is the proportion of current Labour party members that are female? Anyone know?
David H @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Dear God, that string of comments couldn't have been more predictable if this was Guido, not a Labour blog. Have these people never heard of wider social context? Tell us, folks - if we're on such a level playing-field, why ARE only 19.5% of MPs women? Did the rest of the women get distracted by shoes on the way to the Commons? Or - being meritocratic about it - are we to assume that 30.5% of women are just really bad at politics?

Lighten up, all of you. Celebrating International Women's Day on LabourList doesn't mean women can't take on men face-to-face, we watch Harriet Harman do just that every week. It just means that in a culture where men are still overwhelmingly the most visible ones not only 'doing' politics but talking about politics AND blogging about politics, it'd be nice to hear some different voices every once in a while.
Grace Fletcher-Hackwood @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Calm down dear, they're only opinions - even if they differ with yours.

And I don't think Hapless Hattie was a good example of women taking on men, especially when she resorts to lying and obfuscation!
The Very Celia Stobart @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Maybe the majority of women just don't want anything to do with politics and are happy to let men folk take care of that side of life.

This is not scientific, but just say for argument's sake that 50% of men are interested in politics and 25% of women are.

If we ever get to the point where the mix of MPs is 50/50 men and women, does this not mean that women have double the MPs that they should have, based on their interest?

This leads to the further dilemma that, because half the MPs are taken from a pool of just a quarter of the adult female population, there will be a dilution of talent and ability compared to the men, who come from a pool of talent twice the size.

That's why we need meritocracy, not equality as it is defined these days.

Aristotle said: the worst form of inequality is to try and make unequal things equal.

Surely this would be the case if talented and capable men were barred from standing for parliament just because extra women had to make up a quota.
Stewart Cowan @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Not scientific at all, you're right. But a convenient assumption for you to carry on thinking that nothing has to be done about representation of women. How handy.
Thomas Williams @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Wimp.
Stewart Cowan @ 73 weeks ago
I hate to be picky Grace, 19.5% of MPs being women equates to 39% of their 'allocation' as gender parity means that the ceiling is set at 50%. This also means that 61% are "bad" at politics. However, other than querying your numbers I completely agree with your post.
Julian Ware-Lane @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
On the subject of gender pay inequality I have posted a short article here >> http://www.labourhome.org/story/2009/3/6/8952/87232
Julian Ware-Lane @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
"So on Monday, LabourList will be a man-free zone, and women will be taking over the political space."

So, if you cannot get 'equality' or whatever you think will make you happy, you'll just take over.

I like ladies - normal ones - real women, not feminist wimmin full of bile for men. I mean, we're all human, after all. Aren't we?

I say - LET'S FORGET ABOUT EQUALITY!!

I reproduce what I wrote on Mrs Honeyball's blog that Trevor Phillips’ department should be replaced with the Commission for Meritocracy....

Imagine the possibilities - maybe one day we could live in a land where a person isn’t judged on the colour of their skin or what gender they are or how old they are - but on their ability to do the job.

Wow! What a novel idea! What a future awaits us all when the Commission for Meritocracy ensures that everyone is treated fairly - not equally - but fairly.

Can everyone see the distinction?
Stewart Cowan @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
International Women's Day is celebrated every year on March 8th. See http://www.internationalwomensday.com/about.asp
Julian Ware-Lane @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
There's nothing actually stopping women from blogging* is there? Maybe they just have better things to do and there's a very long list of those.


* Or, 'typing in your bedroom' as I like to call it.
Charlie Farley @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
"According to the UN..." - really? I would love to see a source for that.
Thomas Williams @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Actually that might be an urban myth. Recent research from the University of Arizona shows that both sexes speak an average of around 16,000 words a day.

See news story about this at http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story?id=3348076&page=1
David H @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
why is the first, and seemingly, the only solution the labour party can come up with to solve any equality problem, is to set up wimin only groups?

isn't this rather patronising - the poor dears can't take on 'the men' face to face ?
david cheeseman @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
It is not about taking men on face-to-face; it is about trying to create a Parliament that looks like the people who elected them.
Julian Ware-Lane @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
And why is that important? Surely that they are elected is enough. Or are you suggesting that we should "correct" the choice of the electorate?

I don't want a parliament that "looks like the people who elected them". I want a parliament that is made up of the people who are most fit for the job.
Winston Smith @ 73 weeks ago
Why do men get blamed for women's failure to blog? This is a totally open format, which men are unable to restrict access to. Check out the blogs for Suzanne Brockmann (chick lit that pervs over navy seals)- women everywhere.

Figures on salary inequality etc are also pretty meaningless without the context of how many women applied, whether they were prevented from applying somehow. If women don't blog on politics, there are fewer female perspectives. If fewer women aim to be CEOs, there are fewer female CEOs- simple. Let's keep the conversation on the policy and stop implying that it's anything other than circumstance and personal preference that accounts for women's self-selected position in the world
romeo bent @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Well I'm looking forward to it, will you only allow posts from women? I may have to have a word with my sister Charlotte Farley (o;
Charlie Farley @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Well... let me see.

When fathers (i.e. men) get equitable treatment in family courts (7 in 10 divorces are initiated by women).

Equal paternity rights (which might explain the 17% pay gap)

Proper investment and better access to healthcare for male-related illnesses (men die younger)

And something is done to stop the appalling level of male suicides in the 18-25 age range.

You might just be onto something here.
a b @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
Us wimmin are being patronised again!

Anybody know when International Men's Day is?

Or International Person's Day?
The Very Celia Stobart @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
A very interesting gender perspective on the credit crunch:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/iceland200904?printable=true&currentPage=all
Martin Rathfelder @ 73 weeks and 1 day ago
If all the woman were to marry a man the woman would share half the income cake.Single woman want to be manless then be 40% more in dept, thats the price of singe selfishnes.Men are the dominant sex and woman should take it as right. Most of the rough jobs are done by men becaurse woman like soft indoor clean jobs, use your brains, yes,plesae look for equality in all trades not just the siteing down jobs.
max good @ 73 weeks ago