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These are the moments that define us

Stop the BNPBy Ralph Baldwin

Many people in history have been recorded for doing extraordinary things in difficult and very challenging circumstances. As Labour heads forward toward the general election in Barking and Dagenham, we know we face a test.

I walk down the Dagenham Heathway I see a little boy in a pram waving at an object in the distance as his mother pushes him along. His eyes are bright and his little smile is a winning one. Across the road by the Wetherspoon's pub there's an elderly man slowly walking by, leaning on his walking stick. Directly in front of me a stranger is helping a women lift her pram.

The little boy and his mother are of Asian descent. The old man wore a turban; it was a white chap helping an Asian women struggling with her pram.

The idea of these people living in fear of verbal abuse and violent intimidation sends my heart alight. I have never been able to accept bullies pushing around those who cannot easily support themselves and these are decent people who need to be supported.

While still in South Korea earlier this year I asked the frequent contributors on LabourList how fascism should be dealt with. It was my first and favourite article. Tories, Liberals, disenchanted Labour minded, Labour, all people contributed. That is what I am witnessing here in Barking and Dagenham: everyone coming together from the churches and the businesses to the ordinary people in the street.

The brave people who have put themselves potentially in harm's way to campaign for the Labour Party during such awful times, against those extremists who worship hate and whose only pleasure is to bring sadistic harm to those who cannot protect themselves, should be treated with great respect. Those Councillors who have taken a place on the Council should also be applauded for enduring the filth and garbage in the form of verbal abuse cast their way by the BNP councillors.  It creates quite the contrast when we compare these brave Labour people with the cowards who frequent Parliament.

Whether or not I am successful in my own bid for office, I shall campaign the Party for a special something to be given to these very brave activists, volunteers and community workers who are risking much, devoting tremendous energy in cleaning up a mess left by neglect and Parliamentary corruption.

Yes, Labour still has its heroes and all of the Labour Party in Barking and Dagenham should be applauded, along with the very brave and tough local community.

I consider it a singular honour comparable to serving my country to be permitted to work alongside these great people who will use their strength to make a mark in history that will resound across the United Kingdom. They say no to political corruption and neglect and most of all no to Nick Griffin and his thugs.

The threat is real and our Muslims, our Christians, our Bhuddists, our Jews and our Hindus shall stand together as brothers and sisters, to volunteer, to campaign and to bring light where ignorance and anger might hold sway.

There can be no defeat; the people here cannot afford it and in my view neither can the country.

So I toast the people of Barking and Dagenham, of whichever mainstream politics or religion, who unite in the face of evil because everyone one of them that chooses to campaign peacefully against the BNP, or more importantly for their community, are my heroes and heroines and I applaud them as I applaud LabourList and those who contributed to that article as their ideas take flight and become substance here.


Posted on Nov 21, 2009 at 07:48pm

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Hmmmm, Seem to remember Maggie Thatcher saying "there's no such thing as society..." Explains a lot about where we're all at now, and still counting the costs.

I believe much damage was done in the 80's onwards; but a lot more needs to be done to address poverty. However- David Cameron claiming this issue as his new "bag" does seem rather rich, considering the party are planning to massively pull back the state, and enlist "volunteers" to solve the problems!!

Either it's complete cynicism and spin, or naivete in believing the public will buy it.

Is Cameron trying to appeal to some sections of society, in Blair style pre election?

As someone who's spent 3 decades working on the front line in the NHS, and deprived communities, I find some of the rhetoric utterly ludicrous.Try listening to those actually involved for a change- not dreaming up policies in some ivory tower!
Hazico 28 @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
@Guy,
LOL. Never thought you would consider the 'social good' beyond limiting the current on your electric fence.

But there are such things as ethical investments. From what I gather, the Co-Op Bank and it's operations did a lot better than the casino players in the city.

Watch out for the Grandchildren. They'll never remember what work you put into getting it, and may well treat it accordingly. Make sure you hang around long enough to make them respect your efforts and work ethic. (It would be nice though if you didn't tell them what you thought of the rest of us though.)
Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
@Guy M

"I care not whether it is used for "social good" only that it increases in value."

It increases in value because of the protections and actions of society. But you believe that you owe nothing to society out of the value that they have created in the location which you occupy. ie you consider that you deserve a free ride.

I don't. I think that you should give up some of your unearned gains. The value that you create in the location should of course be yours to keep, untaxed.
Chris Cook @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Ralph- glad to be of help. Let us all know how it's going!
PS- love the quote about the chandelier and the sledge hammer!
Hazico 28 @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
Guy - I have seen it said on here before, but you just protest too much! You clearly have to have some level of social responsibility to spend so much time debating and listening to the views of those who are left minded thinkers. You refer to the 'social good' with such disdain - however, I am sure that doing 'social good' is a human instinct. You have children - I am sure you would be grateful of them being provided with some 'social good' should they ever need it.

You protest too much....
Stephanie Gee @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
@Chris,
Not that familiar with Adan Smith. I assume he was writing at the time of Dandies & Fops.

Isn't it more important to keep the money active, as opposed to unproductively gambled and drank away, when it could have been invested in job/wealth creating enterprises.

I suppose one of the problems of our love affair with property ownership in this country, as opposed to our continental neighbours, is that too much wealth sits there doing nothing, unless of course somebody lets a housing boom get under way.

But I think you've raised this issue in much more detail a number of times. I'm surprised Guy's the only person whose bit so far.
Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
@Thomas

My wealth will be in property (in whatever country has no property tax of note) and investment funds where return is the issue.

I care not whether it is used for "social good" only that it increases in value.

I intend it to build with low tax on it then pas it on tax free to my kids to ahve them build it further. The left can either make it worth my while to keep these funds in the UK or they can drive me abroad, I don't really care to be honest.

What I won't do though is accept my earned wealth be used for lefty nonsense for the "social good".
Guy M @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
@Ralph,
Done. But it's gone under my real name.
Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
@Guy
I can't imagine you sitting around the poolside, sipping Pimms, and watching the value of your cash decreasing.

It could be argued that keeping the money active, and circulating is the key thing.

One batch of cash can be used in a multitude of sequential transactions, even if the first of those transactions is an investment. Stuffing it in a safe is unproductive and impoverishes everyone except the safe owner.

It's why Spain spent the first half of the twentieth century impoverished, but holding the largest gold reserves in the world.
Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 1 day ago
Ralph, I'm not advocating voting for them, I'm pointing out that we're still not tackling the route causes of the concerns of voters.

Whilst Labour seek to vilify and distance themselves from Nick Griffin & Co, they seem to choose some rather nasty bedfellows.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/22/islam-bnp-atheism-nick-cohen
Road Hog @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Hazico 28

Incredible idea, I have contacted Searchlight Magazine and am awaiting a response, many thanks.
Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Chris

"that we should focus our attention upon the problem of the Idle Rich every bit as much as we do upon that of the Idle Poor."

I fully intend to retire and hopefully be a member of the idle rich. Mess around that group I hope to be in Chris and I'll go be "idle rich" elsewere as the joy of being "rich" means you can leave the UK and the government to it.

If the idle poor keep voting Labour into government then the idle rich might well say get on with it ands leave in large numbers. How will the poor fair then I wonder?
Guy M @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@RoadHog

There are other anti-immigration parties to vote for, the BNP represent something else. You don't fix a broken chandelier with a sledge hammer.

Though I agree on the Governments poor record on tranparency.

Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
AMENDMENT:

If you wish to help in the Battle of Barking please contact: Darren Rodwell Email :alibonlabour@hotmail.co.uk

Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Labour could also bring a halt to the unfettered immigration. They could also stop lying to us. No wonder people vote BNP, they are fed up and there seems to be no end to it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8368709.stm

Sharp increase

Responding to the immigration officers' concerns, Jeremy Oppenheim, who runs the points-based system at the UK Border Agency, said that the number of students coming into the UK this year was "roughly the same as last year".

But figures subsequently obtained by the BBC under the Freedom of Information Act show there has been a sharp increase in the number of student visas granted in India and Bangladesh - two of the biggest centres for non-EU student visa applications.

Between June and August 2008 (before the new system for students came into force), the British High Commissions in Mumbai, New Delhi and Dhaka issued 6,771 student visas.

During the same period this year (under the new points-based immigration system), the three offices issued 19,950 visas - an increase of 195 per cent.

One Heathrow-based whistleblower told the Donal MacIntyre programme that many so-called students could not speak English, and knew nothing about the courses they claimed to be studying.
Road Hog @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Thomas
"You're right there is something not quite right about the way we seem to consider the poor as a drag on society as opposed to a well of unreleased potential."

I agree with you,but that's only one side of the coin.

The other is that one can bring to bear the classic liberal thinkers like Adam Smith and J S Mill behind the proposition that we should focus our attention upon the problem of the Idle Rich every bit as much as we do upon that of the Idle Poor.
Chris Cook @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Everyone,

Thank you for all your comments it is very encouraging for us over at Barking and for those of you who wish to help you have my warmest thanks, the BNP were our in force yesterday in Mayesbrook and are trying to take the credit for the work done by the Labour Council.

So thank you again.
Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Thomas and anyone intersted.

If you send me your emails via the excellent Alex Smith, I will pass them onto a lovely fella, Darren Rodwell the Labour Action Team leader.
Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Thanks Dave. You're right there is something not quite right about the way we seem to consider the poor as a drag on society as opposed to a well of unreleased potential.
This type of campaign, done in an inclusive spirit, definitely has the potential to bring us all together in a fight for what is right. (Well maybe not too far 'right').
However it's the likes of Ralph and the activists on the ground who'll be doing the hard work though.

@Ralph,
Have you considered at this stage whether you would like people to send contact details, either via Alex, or direct to the local party in Barking & Dagenham, if they want to help out at some stage.

May even fancy a trip down the A12 myself.
Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Thomas @ David

I agree.
Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Tom,

We have plenty of those traditional working class too, in fact our campaign leader is one ;)
Ralph Baldwin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Thomas, It is not a rant, i believe your spot on. There are young people i have known, who could'nt wright there own name hardly. But shown around an enginnering workshop, came to life, and after working without pressure. And a little incouragement, every thing started to get better. Even their veiw of what they could possibly achieve. I'm sure there are examples of this all over the country, we should not be so quick to condemn. And as far as the poor, that is something i realy feal ashamed about. Poor meaning-- not being able to take care of basic needs, is it not disgusting that this is 2009 and that we even need discuss it. IS IMMORAL
david mcclarty @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@ John Smith
True. So start by identifying the root causes and tackling those. may not be quick, but there are no short cuts.

My concern is that whatever Ralph does, he may be undermined by those in Westminster whose policies got us into this position in the first place.

It needs most of them to do a reality check, and put some more emphasis on the 'movement' aspect of Labour, as opposed to straight forward politicking for Westminster seats.

Look at those other parties on the Left. Basically the leadership gives a stronger voice to the grass roots objectives, whether it's the Greens, Plaid, or the SNP.

(Strangely enough I think you could argue the BNP are going the New Labour route by concentrating on winning the mildly unconvinced over, and relying on their core support not having an alternative to vote for. Of course it only works if they keep winning. People are reluctant to let go of the coat tails of a rising star, even if they are no longer convinced that the star performer has their 'interests' at heart.)

I'd be asking the government to stop going after the middle class vote exclusively, and concentrate on what they are going to do to help those who have neither the inclination or academic bent to want to go into Higher Education.

Writing off kids as criminals for just making the same mistakes most of us have made growing up needs to stop.

Proper, hands on, vocational training for the academically disinclined should be starting from 14years at the latest.

The poorest should stop being blamed by the government that set up the rules/welfare system if they actually play it to their advantage.(If it's anyone's fault it's the numpties running it.)

And finally, because this is where the BNP draw a lot of support, we should stop continually increasing the entry qualifications for existing jobs and trades which has the effect of rendering people unemployable should their current job be lost, because it's cheaper to take on a migrant who only has to meet hie own country of origins standards, than continually need to 'train' people in what they know already.

Rant over. (For the time being.)
Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
My biggest concern for Barking and Dagenham is that the cancer of the BNP has taken hold and nobody seems to know the cure. It will grow as the indoctrination and dogma are passed on.
john smith WB @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Hi Labourlist

Dagenham is a great place and not racist but such is the contempt held for "new " Labour and the other main parties voters will either vote for the bnp until the leadership get the message or wont bother voting , The second is bad for demorocy, not just for the labour party , The leadership have to start to to understand that some things are bigger than just mub slingging against the torys , we have to find a way that gives the houses parliment the legitemacy and trust it needs to function without being pilliored for being a joke , We need to make sure the next intake to the house learn the lessions that have harmed the reputation of the current lot .

ricki
ricki lake @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
@Tom

If Labour had represented the interests of its traditional working class supporters then it would now have as many seats in England as the Scottish Socialist Party has in Scotland.
Chris Cook @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
The threat is real and our Muslims, our Christians, our Bhuddists, our Jews and our Hindus shall stand together as brothers and sisters,...

Why bring the tribes of ritual superstition into this?

Politics based on religion is simply divisive, a social 'evil' if you like.

If the Labour Party had represented the interests of its traditional working-class supporters then it would not have found itself in its current position in areas like Barking & Dagenham. The BNP should not have been allowed to establish such a strong base in the first place.


Tom Sacold @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Hi Ralph,
I think you're taking on something here in a spirit that can have a very unifying effect on a splintered movement.


Thomas Fairfax @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Good on you Amanjit...the more voices out there the better.

Question Time was quite inspiring the other day I thought...

Sorry I can't always follow the blogs, as limited time on here.

Good luck anyway!!
Hazico 28 @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Ralph

i think that your comments are usually bang on!

Im moving to London on Monday and nothing would give me greater pleasure than helping you to give the BNP the arse kicking they deserve.

You can get in touch with me through Alex, would be happy to help out on your campaign!

Amanjit
Amanjit Jhund @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Hi Ralph,

Thankyou so much for fighting the good fight on behalf of so many in this country that oppose the BNP.

The East Midlands where we live is a hotbed- particularly in poorer towns and neighborhoods.

I believe the BNP leadership to be misleading to the public, and feeding on people's fears about the economy and immigration.
We have all got to fight this spread of facism and racism- after all it's 2009- not the dark ages!

If we all stick together we might make a formidable force.
I believe Labour has to be speak with a clear honest voice, and confront the lies that are perpetuated.

The party must also win back disaffected voters by appealing to its core values!

Thankyou- and good luck!!!


PS- There is amazing support on facebook via groups like "100,000 against the BNP"(I think)- also "Hope Not Hate" and "There is Nothing British about the BNP".Also lots of local groups- look under town or city names.

Maybe Facebook and Twitter might be good mediums to appeal for more support Ralph?
Hazico 28 @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
excellent Ralph, given Griffin's presence I think it could work in our favour as those anti the BNP far outweigh the pro's
ian robathan @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Hi Ralph

Good luck , I do hope you stand for Labour and not new Labour , Keep fighting a campaing and always stick to your belifs .

ricki
ricki lake @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Ralph

Best of luck - as the tories have zero chance in this seat I wish you well.

I just hope for your sake no one is stupid enough to raise the BNPs profile by saying eight out of ten white voters might vote BNP in Barking for your sake.

john doe @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Ralph,

Best of luck in the election mate. You're article is spot on and I can't imagine a person more suited to the job.
Matthew Zarb-Cousin @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago
Ralph,

I wish you all the luck I have to offer, in all seriousness, for the fight in Barking.

It's going to be a real fight and I'm glad that your ward is fielding someone with such an obvious passion. I think we may have disagreed a few times on these pages, but I think we can definitely come together to fight the fascist threat that is the BNP.

It's going to be a hell of a fight! All us Labour people will be spurring you on, I'm sure. We have to tahe the fight to them and you're undoubtedly up for it.
Tim Nicholls @ 11 weeks and 2 days ago