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The Queen's Speech is no saving grace - but it kicks off a winnable debate

By Mathew Hulbert / @mathewhulbert

The 2010 General Election campaign began, in essence if not literally, with a bang today. Everyone, it seems, has an opinion about the Queen's Speech, most of them negative. But regardless of the content of the Royal Address itself, the Commons debate that followed it between the main party leaders shows us what we can expect much, much more of over the next six months or so.

If I were David Cameron tonight I'd be quite a bit more worried than I was at the start of the day. Why? Because Gordon Brown seemed to have found a renewed sense of fight.

In my former job as a Broadcast Journalist with a group of radio stations in the Midlands I had the honour of interviewing the Prime Minister when he came to Tamworth ahead of the local and European elections in June. And, truth be told, though it was exciting to do so, Mr Brown on that day looked really, really tired and almost as if the fight was a chore for him. But today's was his best parliamentary performance in a long time, possibly since he became Prime Minister and Labour Party Leader.

People wrongly say that the main political parties are too similar these days, that the only question really debated is who will manage things better. But, though there's certainly an element of that, there are fundamental differences between Labour and the Conservatives. The Tories, for example, talk a good game on poverty, but all too often don't back that up with concrete ideas about how they'd end it or vote against measures which would reduce it. Or their answer is to rely solely on the voluntary sector.

Now, the voluntary sector certainly has its place, but that is not to take over from what the State should be doing. The best line of Brown's today, which Cameron and George Osbourne tried to laugh along with but which you could tell had struck home, was one attacking a Tory tax plan which he said would only help a few people, all of whom live in swanky Kensington and Chelsea. The question remains: do the Conservatives really care about people in poverty or is it just lip service?

Nick Clegg had more justification in asking about poverty and is probably right to say that instead of this fairly sparse Queen's Speech we should have had an emergency programme with radical proposals to transform Parliament and help restore faith in our politicians.

So, is this Queen's Speech a saving grace for this Government? Not by a long chalk. But the debate it kicks off is an essential one and a general election victory remains up for the taking.

Posted on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:26pm


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Richard
as well as the Bank debt, we have monthly bills to pay for the 8 million people sitting at home and doing nothing,a bill for failure. The Private Sector is being raped so we now have the disgusting spectacle of Public Sector workers earning more than those in the Private Sector (and this does not include Pension entitlements)

If 8 million people need to be looked after, after 12 years of boom, how many more will need to live off the State when our Goverment is promising to slash the debt by 50% over the next 4 years and the Public Sector is decimated?

What about the small businesses like mine that have done everything they can to protect thier employees jobs but will now have to lay off more after Xmas as the market place is dead, and I am sure there are many others, so we can expect a big surge in unemployment again in the new year.

If by some miracle Mr Brown wins the next Election, then he will have to deal with the Public Sector and based on his utter incompetence will end up endebting us all further in a vain attempt to placate the Unions and his own Party, the result 98% tax rates such as the last Labour Goverment!!!
Phillip Wells @ 41 weeks ago
A winnable debate?

In your dreams Matt!
William Silver @ 41 weeks ago
Paid for by borrowing, how can you talk about figures whe theres old people needing help. If we can bail out banks to save your savings, we can borrow for the elderly, who are far more precious.
david mcclarty @ 41 weeks ago
@david mcclarty

"Paid for by borrowing, how can you talk about figures whe theres old people needing help. If we can bail out banks to save your savings, we can borrow for the elderly, who are far more precious."

Borrowing? I thought there was a bill that would enshrine into law that the deficit be halved. Borrowning more will increase the deficit. The only way to pay for this is by cutting elsewhere.
Mike C @ 41 weeks ago
At last a sane reply.

The Cuts, cuts, cuts message is just inhuman. You can see Osborne slavering whenever the word "cuts" is mentioned.
Richard Blogger @ 41 weeks ago
Mr Brown will allow the crooks to stand at the next election or slither away with bulging pockets of taxpayers money.Smith, McNulty, Hoon, Balls and Cooper to name but a few. Only an idiot would allow these people to stand at the next election knowing full well the Public will kick them out.

So Labour are not going to contest 60 seats as they are all likely to fall to the Tories, and in the seats he wishes to defend hes allowing scum to stand. Will Labour even be able to come 2nd is the real question? 3rd place looks more likely, especially when you consider the following....

The next Pre Budget report, this will be truly horrifying
The possibility of Blair as President
More Quantitive easing, say another 100 billion
No prosecutions of the MPs that we want dealt with
100 more soldiers dying based on daily rates right now
80 more days for Brown and his chronies to continue treating us like idiots.
80 days for the EU to prove that all of Browns assurances were rubbish, if an EU Tax bill is put in place before the next election.
So much too look forward too!I despair!


Phillip Wells @ 41 weeks ago
The dreadful public borrowing figures this morning, make a mockery of any of Brown's statements yesterday. `Free care for the elderly' - paid for with what? Anyone remember an earlier promise this year about one to one in class help for children with learning difficulties? That seems to have disappeared from the policy list - I presume because any simple calculation shows it impossible to fund.

Nothing about MP's expenses in the promised list of Bills - is this just a deliberate insult to the voters, or sheer bloody stupidity on behalf of the leadership who think the issue has been forgotten?

Sorry, this is making me really angry. It seems Brown is on a mission to deliberately lose the next election, and to ensure Labour is out of power for many years. The ineptitude is breathtaking.
Sue Kirby @ 41 weeks ago
"Anyone remember an earlier promise this year about one to one in class help for children with learning difficulties?"


Yes it's odd that, he's done it dozens of times. Big fanfare, big announcement, a bit of TORIEZEATKITTEHS thrown in for good measure and then all forgotten by bedtime.


I entirely agree with the rest of your post as well Sue, Labour are sleep walking to defeat under Gordon Brown and all because no-one has the guts to stand up and be counted.
Charlie Farley @ 41 weeks ago
This is actually quite funny. You cant tell the disgruntled Labour voters from the Tories. Its the same discussion. The only clear distinction are the deluded Gordon Brown followers.

My advice to you all is to get around the Internet, see what other people are saying. The word frightening comes to mind and that is not about what the Tories will do, that is terrifying.

.... Back to the frightening Guido leads with why Labour did not put the Kelly recommendations into practice and 6 Labour top brass who are in for it. Are there any Tories in similar positions and if so who are they?

http://order-order.com/2009/11/19/why-did-labour-want-to-avoid-expenses-issue
john smith WB @ 41 weeks ago
Actually it's Labour 5:1 Conservatives. Come on the Labour! Eh?

No?

ok.

Elliot Morley
David Chaytor
Jim Devine
Baroness Uddin
Lord Clarke of Hampstead
Lord Hanningfield.
Winston Smith @ 41 weeks ago
Mathew this is just more 'pie in the sky' thinking from the dark end of Labour's tunnel.

"The criticisms of the care Bill were echoed by health economists. Niall Dickson, of the King’s Fund, said: “These latest proposals seem to have been hastily put together and appear to cut across the options set out in the Government’s own Green Paper.” "

Or how about:

"The Prime Minister’s plan to offer free care at home to the elderly, outlined yesterday in the last Queen’s Speech before the general election, was compared to “an admiral firing an Exocet into his own flagship”." Labour peer unatributed

Maybe Lord's Livsey and Warner can get Gordon Brown is Labour's saviour folk to see sense:

“I’m not looking forward to the night of the next general election but, if the result goes as I expect, one of the consolations will be that one of the most irresponsible acts to be put forward by a prime minister in the recent history of this country will be swept away with his government,” he added. (Livsey)

and Warner:

"...described the care Bill as totally misjudged. “There has been no proper impact assessment, and no data to show how this would work,” he said. “There’s a big question mark as to whether there’s even actually a Bill ready.” "

Gordon, Mandelson et al are leading Labour to the political equivalent of the Jamestown Mass Suicide.
Peter Thomson @ 41 weeks ago
After the recent storm in respect to abuses by MPs why was no bill announced to reform their salaries, liberties, e.g. taking multiple part-time jobs on the side and employing members of their families etc., and general right to claim exorbitant expenses?

Weird.
Jeff Harvey @ 41 weeks ago
Hi Jonathan

No I would like a leader of the Labour party that keeps its promises ( yes the lisbon treaty is the constituion) , As to your idea of Eu membership , Maybe every 5 years if the acounts are signed off , We can not go into the next election with tory policys (welfare) .

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
In response to Ricki: I am pro-Europe and pro-Lisbon BUT so disappointed at the way the new constitution was sneaked through. I don't think that many people have any idea of what the long term consequences are: and I think that's an unfair imposition on the British people. We failed our democracy test. Well, Mandelson and Brown failed the democracy test. I think that Lisbon will come back to bite Labour during the election campaign.
David H @ 41 weeks ago
We only have to look at the process for selecting the EU President to see just how undemocratic the EU is.
Tom Sacold @ 41 weeks ago
Hi Tom - there does seem to be undue haste about the presidency decision. I agree that it would have been best to have had a EU-wide democratic vote on it.
David H @ 41 weeks ago
So would you rather a strong leader who can't keep their promises or a seemingly weak leader because s/he only promises what he can deliver.

Under Blair there wasn't much in the manifesto but it was all delivered, including the first laws protecting strikers. I don't see the point of voting on Lisbon, which wasn't a Constitution for Europe although it may have included things that were in the constitutional Treaty, although a regular vote on staying in the EU (say every 20 years) might be a good idea.
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
That is the sort of 'on message' New Labour spin that has got us into the position we are in.
Tom Sacold @ 41 weeks ago
Hi Jonathan

The last one i remember was to vote for a vote on the treaty from europe , I am just feel if we carry on the way we are going ,making promises we cant keep the voters will /are seeing that , we need someone to lead the party not follow the headlines.

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
So what did you hear Kate Hoey calling for, Ricky?
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Jonathan

The reason i suggested Kate Hoey is because i have heard her in the house of commons and on politics programs , She comes across as a MP that cares and can work with others (Mayor Johnson) , and talks laugnage that voters understand .

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
What do you see in Hoey? To me she's far to the right of Blair. She may be a believer - someone who doesn't let facts get in the way of what she believes - awkward if you're one of the facts she wants to change.
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
You might not agree with her views on many issues, but what you see is what you get - political honesty. A rare commodity in New Labour.
Tom Sacold @ 41 weeks ago
Hi Jonathan

The profits in the good years brought a lot of taxes in and Fred Goodwin was knighted for services to banking by "new" Labour

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Why do you think Labour loves the banks? If one had gone bust we'd all have gone bust. Perhaps it's because the banks are allowed to not lend but that's Brown's dithering and his schizophrenia wanting banks to both lend and build up their funds (and, I suspect, because GB doesn't realise the only safe people to lend to are people who don't need the money)
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Jonathan

The reason i sugested Kate Hoey is because she would appeal to the wider voters ( I know she joined Mayor Johnson team ) And to be honest give a honest face to the party .

Your other post might be right , I lost faith With Mr Blair after Iraq , I gave Mr Brown a chance , But he turned out as bad , spin spin spin , He has spent to much time trying to out tory the torys and sucking upto the bankers .

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
When BlairBrown ended all the good things stopped but all the bad things continued. How do you know that the things you dislike about Blair weren't Brown? His supporters always claim he had a strong involvement in Blair's government.
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Kate Hoey might be in the Labour Party but she's not Labour. Didn't she join Boris Johnson's Mayoralty? I remember her trashing the SDLP for being socialist (as opposed to unionist)
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Ralph

It stinks of gutter politics , The type i hoped had gone with Mr blair , I wish all the MPS would grow up and treat us like adults , I hope the PLP persude mr brown to stand aside and let a Labour MP lead the party ( the first since Mr Smith ), My choice as i said before is Kate Hoey , She could reach out to voters and reinstall Labour values to the Labour party.

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Ralph

So why are the leadership bringing a bill to do it?

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
@Ricki,

When will the Bill be enacted? Is it pie in the sky?

If they do it where will the money come from? The banks?

Otherwise I have no idea, but such a measure would be aweful if implimented. Not sure how they can.

We must all suffer now though, a price in blood for the banks the MP's love so much. It has cost so many their jobs and businesses and now we must pay even more, and more than just money...
Ralph Baldwin @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Jonathan

The leadership have promised to halve the deficit in 4 years, thats 100 billion a year , How will we (labour) do it ?

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Well, there is some sleight of hand. The nationalised banks are the main bulk of the debt. The market expects the government to sell off their preferential shares over a period of a decade or so. That is probably the sensible thing to do, but politicians (both Labour and Tory) see those shares as a pot of cash.

The danger is that a Cameron government will slash public services as an excuse to pay off the debt, and then six months before the following election, they'll sell off the bank shares at not quite the best rate, but it will provide money for a big one-off tax cut.

Labour will not cut public spending as drastically as the Tories. But the bulk of the £100bn a year you quote will be from selling off the bank shares, again, not at the right time as far as the share price goes, but they will be able to meet the target.
Richard Blogger @ 41 weeks ago
@ricki,

We can't it is nonesense.
Ralph Baldwin @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Labour has a chance, people may not vote for GB but they may vote against Cameron, espacially if he is still seen as the heir to Blair, i.e. if he gets seen as having all the faults of Blair. It's also possible that people will vote Labour to save us from the greater cuts the Tories will do against what GB will do.
Jonathan Morse @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Phillip

First of all one parliment cant bind another , If the torys put in there manifesto to get rid of the bill they could , Alas i know the "new Labour " leadership only care for bankers and power , The choice of the next goverment will be decided by the voters , If President Blair gets his post in Europe i think that will seal the deal with Mr Cameron , I wish we had adult politcs instead of what we see .

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Ricki
What we saw today was Mr Brown positioning his party for opposition. He knows he is going to lose so he is trying to bring in legislation to force the next Tory Gov't to reduce the debt he has put upon us by 50% over 4 years. Mr Brown and his Chancellor are the only two people in this country who actually know how much debt there really is. They know that to deliver a 50% cut in the defecit can only be achieved by the dismantling of Public services which will cause major strikes and damage to the country, but hopefully the Tories will get all the blame and Labour will regain power in 5 years.
The problem with this strategy is it shows that Mr Brown thinks its okay for the Country to be wrecked and brought to its knees, just to punish the Tories.
Now I am not going to stand up for Mr Cameron but its not his fault if Labour lose the next election, it is the failure of Blair, Brown, Mandleson and all the rest of the liars and spivs that have dragged Labour into the mire.
Phillip Wells @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago
Hi Labourlist

I Listened to the debate in the commons , How is the leadership going cut 100billion a year to meet the halve the deficit in 4 years? what will be cut ? We are already going to attack the disabled ( welfare reforms ) , Mr Brown is living in cloud cuokoo land , He has promised more pledges and says he will cut the deficit by halve in four years , Is he for real?

ricki
ricki lake @ 41 weeks and 1 day ago