By Tom Miller
UPDATE: Hadleigh Roberts has responded to this post here.
A lot has been made over the last two weeks of the prospect of Labour’s politicians abandoning the ‘No Platform’ policy of refusing to debate the BNP. While some politicians appear to be gearing up to appear alongside the BNP on the BBC’s Question Time program, others such as the Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, have laudably opted not to speak alongside them.
We should consider this decision praiseworthy, because we have a few reasons for doing so.
Those on the left and more widely know that the bulk of those who have recently begun to vote for the BNP don’t do so because they are committed hardcore racists. These people have material concerns, and, given New Labour’s longstanding practice of a narrow concentration on the middle 5% of the electorate as applied since 2001, an electorate which we must remember is on average richer and more comfortable than the population as a whole, a whole stratum of the working class feels profoundly disillusioned.
Yet we on the left continue to be convinced that racism is not the solution.
We must therefore question how discontent and disillusion are converted by the BNP into the votes which win them MEPs. Understanding this process in deciding what strategies to use against them is crucial.
Mark Steele is a funny man, but he is also a man who has demonstrated some understanding of this debate. His first paragraph in his recent article for the Independent is a very accurate characterisation of the situation as it stands. Though it rests on a comedic logic, there is a serious point to be understood:
“There’s something touchingly innocent about the argument put forward by many people that the BNP should be allowed space in the mainstream media as this will “expose their ignorant ideas”. Because history doesn’t necessarily prove this to be the case. I don’t suppose that, in 1941, many people thought: “You see, this is all working to plan. Now he’s invaded Russia everyone will see just what an idiot this Hitler really is.”
We have to think about the actual point of politically opposing the BNP on a day to day level. What are politicians of the left trying to achieve?
Labour politicians want to win elections, yes. But there is a far deeper and more historically resonant logic behind Labour’s anti-fascism. Fascists need to be opposed full stop, because of what they believe. At the moment, the main fascist party is the BNP, and it concentrates on election campaigns in their context as what the far left term ‘propaganda candidacies’.
They are only on Question Time because they hold office, and their immediate goal is to hold office. More of it. If we concentrate only on fighting the effects of this, a spilling over and legitimisation of racism in public discourse, and the social discord which goes with that, then we are lost.
The BNP’s ability to use the BBC as a propaganda platform also needs to be tackled at the root cause; the lack of representation for the people who have added to their vote, and further to that, the fact that they are winning any elections full stop.
In other words, while it is satisfying for politicians to look forward to ‘winning the argument’ against people who are already seen even by many of those who vote for them (let alone Labour MPs) as profoundly illogical, that means very little if it boosts their vote.
Labour should not want to beat them in arguments if a necessary side effect is that their vote increases.
During the MPs expenses scandal Question Time saw record viewing figures of 3.8 Million. Polly Toynbee believes with some justification that General Elections are won under the First Past The Post system on the back of just a few thousand votes. While more proportionate, European elections typically see very low turnout and are seldom ever about the policies of the European Parliament; those with the most extreme views are far better represented.
Bearing in mind that many of those who vote for the BNP, particularly as a protest against the other parties, often know little of their policies full stop, imagine how many people would see the BNP for the first time in their life on such a TV performance? Even if the BNP are roundly defeated in debate, this number will be such a large one that the percentage of people who find themselves agreeing with them will almost definitely outstrip the number who would support them without having seen question time. It then facilitates their building on the ground by putting their names and personalities into public debate.
In any event, they have and will without exception continue to produce utterly false figures and examples to justify their beliefs which, because they are false, no politician can have counter-figures or examples to rebut. Subject matters on which there are real material disagreements between the main parties will be racialised, whether this is an accurate description, or indeed a relevant solution, or not.
Such debates make race a completely unnecessary but nevertheless ubiquitous prism. Given the sensitive and deeply personal nature of the subject and the violent emotions it disturbs, it is a topic that while in itself is sometimes worthwhile debating, is not worth implementing on wider public debate through an extremist lens, with a widely respected haven in programs like Question Time. At the absolute least, from a purely party-political point of view, the espousal of these views on such popular television programs will give space to the more moderate element of the hard right to become less moderate without risking such a large backlash.
For all of these reasons and more Labour should avoid providing a motivation the BBC and other broadcasters along with organisers of public events more generally to invite the BNP and involve their warped and necessarily violent views more deeply in the space of public debate.
The BNP have a right to free speech, but nobody is under any obligation to provide them the means to use it effectively. In fact, we have a moral obligation to refuse to help them gain exposure, win voters who would not previously have voted for them, and open debating space for others who are slightly more credible.
The argument that the No Platform policy has failed has been fashionable lately. But it has been treated lazily and accepted with little question. The fact is that with regards to the BNP, it is one of the only parts of mainstream politics which still works.
If you agree, then you can help to fight for No Platform here.
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Repeatedly pushing a No Platform policy because you don't trust the voters to make up their minds based on an open debate 'misses the point'.
Surely your idiotic ,condescending, attitude to the people who elect their representatives is part of the problem. Or are you more equal than the rest of us?
Oh nice to see a debate about the BNP eliciting comments about Baroness Scotland. Fancy that
No Platform is an article of faith for many on the left. It's sad to see people clutching at straws when it is clear that - as a strategy - it isn't working. The game has changed!
I can see the BNP making hay with this ... it's called shooting yourself in the foot and nailing the other one to the floorboards.
Of course you all secretly want the BNP to win or the Baroness would have been forced to resign asap.
No platform was a weak policy. Employing illegal immigrants and failing to comply with the law is typical of a mealy mouthed bunch of hypocrites in power who say "don't do as I do, do as I say".
I can totally understand your anger at the BNP and I share your belief that we have a 'moral obligation' to fight against them and their ideology of hate but No Platform is not the way to go. It is regressive and as much the start of a dangerous slippery slope as the election of Brons and Griffin. The BNP are an abhorrent and dispicable organisation who spread fear, resentment and hatred and as such I shall have Hope not Hate materials on my Freshers Stall. But to suggest that we have a 'moral obligation' to deny them coverage is absurd. What we have an obligation to do, as I said above, is to fight them, not pretend they don't exist by taking some kind of imaginary moral high-ground.
It may seem very laudable to say we won't share a platform with them but that is wrong on several levels. Firstly, the leadership are clever, unlike many of their sympathisers, and they will get their message out and they will use any Labour attempt to silence them as propaganda. Secondly, the voters will not see a 'moral Labour Party' if we refuse to share a platform with them...what they will see is a BNP message with no counter-attack. Finally, what kind of message is an incumbent Government already on its knees sending out when it tries to prevent freedom of speech, something which I believe should be held sacrosanct? Yes, they are dispicable but so are the Thatcherite policies of Cameron's Conservatives. Do we have a 'moral obligation' to silence them too? In fact, I'm sure we'll all agree that it is only Labour values that will do the best for this country so hey why don't we just do away with elections and debate all together? Now I know that's not what you are saying but the point, I believe, holds up just as well as the idea that the election of two BNP MEPs has opened the gate to British Nazism.
No Platform, whilst its intentions may be good, is not moral or just it is simply hiding from the truth and refusing to face the real world...something too many in this Party do far too often. We need to stop burying our heads in the sand and we need to address the issues that are facing the world in 2009/10 and tackle the issues head on with the values of democracy, free speech and justic at the heart of what we do.
Tristan
We are adults. We are your intellectual equals and in many cases your superiors. We do not need you to protect us from the likes of the BNP just in case we're too stupid to make the right choice when it comes to cast our ballot.
whatever happened to "i may disagree with what you say but i defend to the death your right to say it?" stop posing behind a fig leaf of specious principle, find your cojones and argue them off the political agenda. else one concludes nothing more than that you and your 'no platform' supporters are just political cowards who lack the intellectual balls to take the moral high ground.
and by the way, mark 'socialist worker' steele's analogy predictably compares apples with pears and laughably inappropriate. the BNP is not nazi germany. in 1941, hitler was the starkly dominant force in europe, feared to the bone, was undefeated on land, appeared undefeatable on land and came within a whisker of rolling up the russians by the close of the year. but for the rain that delayed barbarossa four weeks from may to june, the germans would have had the time to capture moscow ahead of the winter snow; the fall of stalin and the collapse of the USSR would have then been both inevitable and rapid.
Burying our head in the sand wont make the bnp go away , look at it from a voters view , the bnp come on and make a statement witch is riddled with lies ( i know this could apply to all 3 main parties) and no one challenges them then the voter thinks its true and falls under the spell of bnp .
We must ( all parties) debate with them and show the voters the type of nasty and racist party they are .
ricki
I see Baroness Scotland (now that's a FANTASTIC name for a socialist) is a criminal. Found guilty of a crime. Now, will she do the decent thing and resign or will we have an endless round of being sorry, moving on, drawing a line in the sand, learning lessons and her favourite 'not understnding the guidelines'. Let me help you out Scotty, they're not guidelines they're laws.
Racism IS often part of the problem, you bring up material concerns, dissolusionment, yes these are reasons people vote for the BNP but they also have somebody whispering in their ear saying that 'foriengers are taking your jobs, taking the money, getting benefits you don't get, vote BNP and we'll sort it out'. I've heard many a person, considering voting BNP, spout these ill-informed facts. They're not commited hardcore racists but their dissolusionment is making them believe these things. Nobody publically is facing Griffin et al and saying 'sorry these facts are wrong, you are lying to these people, here's the actual facts and statistics'. They spread their poison underground. I live in an area where the BNP holds second place in Council elections so I know what's going on at the grassroots and I fear that they could gain even more ground. No Platform got them that second place. I don't think it is working and we need to change the policy.
I won't risk repeating myself by calling you completely wrong, sometimes dangerously so, I'll just invite everyone to click the link at the top so they can see my rebuttal in full.
Fistly lets look at why the BNP has won elections as there are two central themes here (though it can get a heck of a lot more complex).
The first theme is the disillusionment by many people who viewed Labour as the party that would traditionally defend them, who feel let down and disgusted by the apparent corruption some of the Key Labour Party Ministers and MP's. This has led to people feeling Labour represents it's own interests and does not give a damn about them and so failed to vote in the Norwich North and EU elections.
The second theme seems to come from an anger directed at local as well as national politicians and parties who suffer from SSS - Safe Seat Syndrome, where seats have been taken for granted by Labour and the elected have felt they need do little or no work to retain their position (many of whom have given themselves full credit for their "popularity" and abused their positions and not represented those who elected them in the first place. This has led in some areas to a large number of people turning away and actively voting BNP to punish the Labour Party and individual elected representatives.
Either way the people feel they have been neglected and detached from the process, in effect they have been ignored.
By ignoring the BNP you are by implication ignoring the concerns of those who voted for them, very few of which are actually die-hard BNP natural supporters. This has been milked by the BNP who want nothing more from Labour and the other "Liberal Elite" (Nick Griffin) parties because they use this to show people how little the mainstream politicians care about the issues that concern people in the first place. One of the strategies the BNP use is to show people how badly the BNP have been treated by the mainstream to deliberately seem to appear to many to be anti-establishment, radical martrys. By appearing to be neglected from the political process the BNP are gathering people who feel the same way.
Of course any protest that is anti-BNP has been milked by the BNP to appear as disrupting democracy and allowing the BNP to be perceived as being bullied, again in the same manner people feel when they see their communities transformed dramatically over a small time period at a time when unemployment is rising.
You mention Hitler in 1941, I would point out by this time Hitler controlled the media and so your comparision is not effectively a fair one. You have neglected to point out the countless years Hitler was a nothing in German politics but an angry ranting loon. However like the BNP when Hitler was arrested and locked away he did attempt to appear a martyr in the court room when he represented his own defence. Are you going to prevent the BNP from representing themselves in our courts too?
The fear many have is that the BNP will use Question Time as a springboard for thier views is only legitimate if their views cannot be challenged and dealt with. The real question is are our senior MP's up to the task of taking them on and winning the debate? Can our Senior MP's (Conservative, Labour or Liberal) actually take on Nick Griffin?
It does not surprise me MP's have attempted to turn away from the BNP they have been shrewed. Not one of them wants to lose to the BNP and get the blame and lose their precious career. I have to admit it would very difficult for an expenses MP or possibly more corrupt Minister to challenge Nick Griffin as they have given him so much to work from. But as I have stated on previous comments and articles, they are Nick Griffins greatest help at the moment as they have shown so little respect or understanding of our Constitutional Democracy thus leaving us where we are now.
I though have not been idle.
I have asked Mr Griffin questions by email after reading the articles and manifesto on the BNP website, he has not attempted to answer those questions and I have the emails with date and time printed out should I challenge him for the Parliamentry seat in Thurrock. I will engage him and defeat him. Why?
Because he represents everything this country does not need at the moment. MP's have behaved in a very undemocratic manner, have ignored the feelings and thoughts expressed by the public in the same way the BNP would if they were in control. The BNP are the symptom of a sad and pathetic disease called corruption. BNP are elitists and we have a so-called political "elite", both want to feel superior to everyone else and vast sums of money and not associate with those they represent. The gap in terms of civil liberties, arrogance and greed is not a very wide one between the Labour Cabinet and the BNP.
Ignore the public, ignore the BNP and you come across as a member of the so called Liberal Elite who are perceived by the public to have ignored them for far too long.
For God's sake, it's the Labour party's fault that the BNP are where they are already. Start taking some bloody responsibility for it!
Pathetic.
But they're going to be on TV whether you refuse to share a platform with them or not since they now hold office, as you admit. The only difference with following your logic is that there will be no one there to actually point out that they are a racist party and their policies are underpinned by bigotry.
The only alternative, since it's unlikely you will be able to do so by persuasion now that they have MEPs, is to force the media to refuse to give them a platform through legislation. Since they remain a legal party, I can't see that happening.
It's a copout. Where are the policies to persuade BNP voters who are upset about immigration and social housing? They don't exist.
As the Scotland affair is proving, Labour don't even follow their own rules on immigrants. And you wonder why people vote BNP.
If Scotland does not resign, more voters will be tempted to vote BNP in my view... Crass contempt of the law by the Attorney general.