By Laurie Penny![]()
Yesterday, I spoke on BBC Radio Wales about Tony McNulty MP's claim of £60,000 as 'expenses' on a second home in Harrow, where his parents currently live. Yes, that Tony McNulty, the voice of the punitive Welfare Reform Bill - which had its third reading last Wednesday, with some important amendments - a bill which would employ private companies, proven less efficient than their state counterparts, to bully the workless into below-minimum-wage jobs that aren't, in fact, there anyway.
Mr McNulty MP, who believes that Britain's poorest can't be trusted with £48 a week to live on without stringent conditions. He claimed as much as £14,000 per year on the second home, on top of his considerable MP's salary and additional expense claims.It has been pointed out numerous times, not least by McNulty himself, that the money he claimed - equivalent to the entire salary of many of his constituents - wasn't against the rules. I'm sure it wasn't. I don't however, give one solitary iced damn if the Queen gave him the cash in a gold-plated envelope scented with the royal perfume, it's still a tooth-grinding piece of hypocrisy.
Because, well. How dare he, really. How dare he dictate to the poor and needy how they should live their lives, how dare he imply that people are 'playing the system' when he himself has been playing the system for at least five times the annual rate of jobseekers' allowance every year. How dare he tell Britain's poorest and most disadvantaged young people that they do not deserve the paltry £48 of jobseekers' allowance they receive every week, when he himself has been claiming at least £270 per week in additional expenses on top of his salary. The sheer pig-headed hypocrisy of it all makes my ovaries itch.
It has further been reported that Mr McNulty claims to have made "considerable" use of the property, but said that he had stopped claiming the allowance in January - get this- 'because the fall in interest rates meant he could afford to pay the mortgage from his MP's salary'.
"...you have to marvel at the sheer ingenuity of people who only stop stealing from us when they've driven the economy far enough into the ground that it becomes temporarily cost-effective to act honestly."
I mean, what is it with Labour ministers these days? Have they completely lost all sense of narrative subtlety? Do they actually wander the corridors of Whitehall stroking overfed white cats, cackling to themselves and rubbing their hands with glee whilst browbeaten assistants scurry up to tell them that the local orphanage has been demolished just as they ordered? What has happened to this government, when the Conservatives - the Conservatives! - have to suggest to McNulty that "questions need to be answered"?
If you hadn't guessed, I'm incandescently angry about this.
Of course, it isn't just McNulty, and it definitely isn't just the Labour party - having one's nose in the trough has long been standard parliamentary practice, and since career politicians seem to expect a certain lifestyle, I can see how it might be ever so tempting to try and maneuvre ways to augment a £63-grand-a-year salary that already puts you far into the top wage bracket. But the problem is that right now? It hurts. It hurts that our elected representatives are divorced from the way in which a great deal of their constituents are living in this time of economic hardship. It hurts, it offends, and it's down right insulting.
Yesterday, citizens called the BBC from all over Wales to express their disgust, and to make the same proposition with which I opened the show: to make sure that their expenses are being used properly, to make sure they really understand what life is like for their constituents, MP's basic salaries should be kept in line with the median UK wage.
The bright young Tory thing they had on to oppose, Shane Greer, called this idea 'absurd'. He said that the real issue here was one of 'transparency'. The trouble is that we already have quite a lot of transparency, and transparency by itself sounds good but acheives little. We can see exactly how our lords and masters are squirreling away taxpayers' money for themselves, and we can do precious little about it whilst living in a democracy in whose mechanisms vast swathes of the population have entirely lost faith. We cannot trust our politicians to play fair - not even Labour MPs.
The British public deserves politicians who go into politics as a form of public service, and not just for the power and the money. The British public deserves real representatives, representatives who understand the real lives that their constituents lead. If Tom McNulty really and truly needs a second home, I'm sure there are council houses a short walk from his constituency - and who knows, if MPs had to live in them them, perhaps more and better quality council housing might end up being built.
Our politicians can afford to save us from desitutition if they choose, but instead, the cabinet ministers we elected to serve us sit on their bottoms paying themselves vast salaries under the table, in a state of near-perfect inertia. So, my question to Shane and to every present and prospective British political representative is simply this: are you truly prepared to take a pay-cut, not just from a six-figure executive sum to a relatively modest mansion-expenses property portfolio, but a real pay-cut? Are you prepared to live on the average British salary? Are you prepared to live the decisions you make on our behalf?
Because that's what this argument is about. Not whether or not Tony McNulty or David Cameron or George Osborne or any of the other MPs siphoning off public funds are or are not playing by the rules they invented themselves. No, it's about how we want our politicans to live. And like a great deal of the British people, I believe that if you're not willing to live like we do, if you're not prepared to take home an ordinary salary, then you have no business being in politics.
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Some people would dobutless argue that standards can't fall any further but I suggest you take a look at your local Council or the London Assembly if you want evidence of how poor elected representatives can get.
Secondly I think Labour MP's expect to loose the next election or else they might do something about this - if the next election result is known they act for afterwards - those who expect to keep their seats want the money they'll need to fight in opposition. We can't have a leadership challenge before the Euro elections and other local ones, but I think for many MP's opposition's easier than dumping Brown.
Most importantly people are suggesting we put all MP's in a hotel - the same hotel presumably, or a hostel - the current MOD headquarters might be a good place for this, but would it be good for democracy? If all MP's live in the same place, use the same bar, away from journalists and all, wouldn't that become the centre of British politics, with no access unless you are an MP? People talk about access, open-ness - that would all go if they lived in one place.
Congratulations on (IMO) the best post by far on Labourlist. You vented against one of your own (McNulty) but, such is life the next day a senior one of (us) Tories also got himslef in a Pickle - on live TV - with his snout in the trough ! So this problem crosses party lines.
So how has this mess come about?
One thing nobody has mentioned is that before 1997, the debates in parliament were scheduled at ludicrous times. I remember watching Ken Clarke's budget being defeated, John Major's defeat over Maastricht, and even Jim Callaghan losing the confidence vote back in 1979; all of these votes occurred very late at night (covered live on Newsnight or an extended News at Ten). All votes were like that, 10.30 or 11pm. So before 1997, by the time MPs had voted, put their coats on and left the HOC, the trains to Harrow and Brentwood had stopped running. MPs, even those within reasonable commuting distance, *had* to have a place to live very close in to London.
One thing I'll give the current government credit for was to move the debates in parliament to SENSIBLE times. Debates now finish late afternoon or early evening, and this allows home counties MPs to get home at night. But nobody bothered to change the second home rules to go along with this. And of course, none of the MPs (from any party) will voluntarily give up the second home!
So, what should be done?
Sorry, but I just can't agree with your proposal which would cut an MP's pay by close on 40K; they're *quite* well off but not amazingly so, and put in long hours. What I think is needed is simply to change the allowance rules, and quick. It will be a shock to some, but here's my suggestions (the political bias balanced I hope):
- MPs with constituencies within a 90 minute commute of Westminster; no second home
- (maybe reduce this to 45 mins for government ministers and certain senior opposition spokesmen)
- ministers with a "grace & favour" apartment available are not entitled to second home
- All second homes to be rental only, paid directly by the HOC. No personal gain or speculation on the property market for anyone.
- no rental from family interests allowed (a la Wintertons)
- Transition period of one year to make financial arrangements (sell house, rent out or pay their own way)
- All furnishings (appliances, TVs, etc) to be centrally purchased by HOC and to be the property of parliament (aka a company car or laptop) and be returned to parliament when losing the second home entitlement.
- New MPs get whatever appliances the HOC has in stock
- All furnishings bought within the last (say) 3 years, must be registered as parliament property or the costs repaid
That's my 2 cents. It's a start.
Good news for Theresa May in Maidenhead, not so good news for Vera Baird in Redcar of course...
Where 'financial interest' means 'prospect of living in a mansion worth millions, sending all the kids to top private schools and still taking home five grand a month', why yes, yes I am. MPs' jobs may be extraordinary, but the hard work they put in is not unique. Plenty of UK workers put in 12-hour days - not just bankers and politicians, but cleaners, caterers, transport workers, and indeed any worker for whom just under six quid an hour does not cover all the bills.
We're not asking MPs to live on a demeaning salary here - we are asking them to live on the average wage. If MPs feel that the average wage is a demeaning and unreasonable amount of money to live on, then they might actually want to look at that.
I thought Ronny Corbett was hilarious.
No. You were kicked out for being a party with the Labour Party and therefore against the rules.
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Paying them the average wage is an excellent idea. Add to it a bonus based on the number of debates they attend and the number of times they make a speech in the House.
you can add Tory Cabinet Minister "Eric Pickles" to your list--ooh dear! what a "PICKLE" he was in during question time---Lives 37mils from his main home but has a second home nearer to parliament---No justification for a second home.
I'm glad MPs expenses and Living accommodation has been highlighted in the media---Look forward to the results of Expenses, Second Homes, Second Jobs that has been instructed for investigation by PM for all MPs.
However, paying MPs an average wage wont work. The British are not Fabians at heart, we are not even European in our attitude towards public service. Brits have high levels of personal aspiration and government ministers are top of the tree when it comes to nest feathering hypocrisy.
We want high quality and intelligent MPs. Putting them on basic pay would mean only the rich, young or rather stupid would run for office.
We need just tougher rules, independent auditors working to HMRC rules and severe consequences for cheating. And about half as many MPs as we currently have.
And you say MPs aren't connected to reality.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
MP should be paid according to an fully independent assessment of their worth. Their expenses should be fully receipted, all outside interests fully declared.
In terms of their salary now, the unsociable hours, the need to travel from home, I think they are paid enough considering some Chief Exec's of local authorities are paid more.
The issue is MPs exploiting their expenses, living with their parents or siblings is just too much.
But it this way - if I, someone fully connected to the 'real world' tried to pull this kind of stunt, I would be handed my P45.
I hope Mr McNulty and Ms Smith eventually get the same.
It goes without saying, that no MP should have access to any other source of income: second jobs and directorships to be banned, income from trusts and family estates to be accumulated in a blind trust ... I want full-time MP's.
But I do slightly wonder how it slipped past the "administration"
It is worth reflecting that at the point at which MPs became paid in the first place (the 1911 Parliament Act) it seems that the amount (£400) was supposed to be equivalent to a junior civil service clerk. I don't think there were any allowances on top but others may know more.
Lloyd George's speech when he introduced this part of the Bill is here:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1911/aug/10/payment-of-members-1
Column 1383 is interesting.
Perhaps the biggest display of hypocrisy on McNulty's part was his assertion that he "felt uncomfortable" taking the money. That didn't stop him doing so for many years however, nor does he feel "uncomfortable" enough to offer to pay some of it back.
Perhaps that should be a new defence for shoplifters: they felt "uncomfortable" taking those items from Marks & Spencer...........
The real problem is that when MPs say they are judged by their 'peers' they mean other MPs.
That is like a bank robber being judged by his 'peers' - other bank robbers.
No, MPs need to be judged by their peers, and that means us the general public.
Their feet wouldn't touch the ground -- Spelman, Smith, McNulty et al - expelled, loss of pension right and other benefits, no parachute money, full repayment of misappropriated funds plus interest.
McNulty has already indicated that he has similar dirt on other ministers and shadow ministers - if he has any integrity left he should tell all.
MPs are only elected for 4/5 years - if they don't like the salary on offer, the should f*ck off and get a job elsewhere - no one has asked them to run.
Not these days David. A Parliament lasts usually 4 years (5 years when the sitting PM thinks/knows he is going to lose). Most people these days are on short term contracts and a long contract might be for only 3 years.
As for the "MacJobs" announced with usual self-seeking publicity yesterday by one of the fast food joints, I doubt that they will last even a couple of years.
M.Ps do very nicely thank you - which is why the 22 year old offspring of NuLabour peers are so keen to leap aboard the gravy train.
(a) We can get away from the false notion that 'everyone's at it' (thanks Lily) and more importantly...
(b) The media - mainstream, new or whatever - can spend more time on issues that affect us in a fundamental way (bank bailout billions, Trident, climate change, massive debt) rather then the usual...
MP wrongly claims expense
MP claims they have done nothing wrong
Other MP calls for an enquiry
Enquiry set up
Enquiry takes aaaagggggggeessss to report
Enquiry comes to unsatisfactory conclusion
Nothing changes
(repeat to fade)
Yes it is wrong for MP's to take the piss as McNulty is, as Smith is and as Conway and the Wintertons did but compare the figures with the bank bailouts and you'll see why I think this topic is overdone.
Yes Louis - change the word "miscreants" for "idiots" and you have the basis of almost all Labour legislation over the last 11 years.
A climate system lurching further towards catastrophic instability. A private debt so large it gets converted to public debt, lumped onto future taxpayers, hundreds of billions. An over-commoditised public sphere where cloning becomes a substitute for spontaneity and innovation and children are dehumanised under a wash of ceaseless moral panic and blind sentimentality. Such government has been in place for too long. It's not the Britain any of us know or want. The babyboomers days should have ended long ago. And the time to organise and push for the reclamation of our Labour party is now. (clears throat, looks around an empty hall)
What's missing from all of this is an explanation of why MPs need second homes. Thankfully there is an investigation here, but because MPs are expected to be in their constituency (otherwise they will be attacked by the above for not being 'local') and they also spend a lot of time in Westminster there has to be some what of dealing with this.
There is also a lot of chatter about MPs 'expenses' as if they are the same as Fred-the-Shred and his greedy chums. The expense allowance pays for offices and staff - not 'perks.' Presumably people wouldn't begrudge MPs that?
Incidentally MPs taking the average wage, then expressed as "the average wage of a male industrial worker in their constituency", was a Militant policy in the bad old days. There is no indication it was spectacularly popular.
I don't know about the last days of the Major govt but it certainly feels like the last days of something.
You're basically asking MP's and prospective MP's to completely abandon their own and their families financial interests in favour of public service. It's a nice idea but so is me driving through the Alps in a Lamborghini Murcielago with Keira Knightley - neither one's going to happen.
The issue here is not MP's pay but poorly designed rules that allow some to claim for things that common sense says they should not. By all means, design decent rules so that a Newcastle MP can claim for costs that a Hackney MP can't but the idea that you will get a better class of people in Parliament by paying less is naive.
The Tories would love this. Many of them are independently wealthy (some earned, some not) and their Commons salary isn't much of an issue. However, I want people in Parliament from a wide range of backgrounds and that won't happen if people think they'll be financially disadvantaged by going into politics in addition to all the other crap they have to put up with.
The bad ones deserve all the shit they get (on all sides) but the good ones deserve more then this poor idea.
don't know about the independent means or multiple jobs but few hours -start tuesday skive off thursday early p.m. doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary.
The man is a disgrace. if he had evan an iota of dignity and self respect he would resign his ministerial offices - both employment and as Minister for London
(You can quote me on that any time you like.)
If it did ... They would definitely then need attendance money/second home money etc etc which are so infuriating if you let them be. And that's why I support a consolidated salary, greater than the current £60k. While many people _would_ be happy doing this job for 10 years or whatever at £30k, we surely cannot see any return to dilettante MPs of independent means/multiple jobs/few hours a year?
Like Dawn Butler, an assistant whip who has also been exploiting the system, I hope McNulty is returned to the back benches where he belongs.