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It's Labour’s duty to defeat the BNP - to achieve this we must end No Platform

GriffinBy Hadleigh Roberts / @hadleighroberts

The rise of the BNP is an issue that strikes a strange nerve in the Labour movement, one that triggers a huge sense of panic and hysteria. It is time to confront this phobia so we can confront the problem head on. Our first act must be to renounce the No Platform Policy.

Those in favour of the ‘No Platform’ policy see engaging with the BNP as tantamount to “legitimising them.” As if a number of councillors, a London Assembly member and two MEPs were not enough to prove the BNP’s electoral support it also arrogantly supposes that Labour is the only organisation which can decide whether other parties are legitimate or not. If we do not trust voters enough to make their own choices, then we have a far greater problem with democracy than we do with the BNP.

Positive change requires action; the only change without action is decay. ’No Platform’ can work only when there is no platform on which the BNP can stand. The Tories and the Liberal Democrats do not share our practice of collective deafness and thus render ‘No Platform’ completely ineffective. On the contrary, the struggle against extremism is given yet more credibility with Labour taking a leading role in a united front.

Being the only major party refusing to participate in a debate always comes across as cowardice, always. Regardless of the principles that may lie behind the decision, refusing to enter into a debate projects a lack of confidence in our own abilities. Our values are invincible and so we must use them to full capacity. We cannot take the moral high ground in battles of fascism against democracy if our means are suppressive instead of progressive.

Our strategy must change from ‘crushing the vermin’ to ‘catching flies with honey’. The BNP will exist as long as there is racism and nationalism. Instead of trying to eradicate the party like continuously trying to stamp on a cockroach, our cause is so much more powerful if we use the strangely democratic means of persuading the persuadable. If there are some who cannot be reasoned with, then yelling “Nazi Scum” will not change their mind but rather make them ever more determined.

Assuming that all BNP voters are racist is also to presume that core Labour voters are racist, if polling research is to be believed; the main reason people are likely to consider voting BNP is fear. They are fearful for their jobs, families and homes in a time of unprecedented economic instability and this fear is so easily exploited by the far-right against the easy target of immigration. Their success at the EU Parliament Elections (regardless of the electoral system), showed that people have turned to them as a non-mainstream party alternative. Then combined with the MPs Expenses scandal it showed that voters feel more disconnected that ever. Surely this is sufficient enough to demonstrate that Labour needs to act quickly and decisively.

In reforming our approach, the policy of demonising the BNP as fascists and Nazis needs to stop. Despite whether the accusations are true or not, it plays into their own hands and illustrates the worst features of the “loony left” that descends to the same level of the BNP. All too often the questions of martyrdom and freedom of speech are classic features of the debate, though make no mistake: Griffin is no champion of free speech and to use such an argument is to do a disservice to one of our most precious and fundamental rights. They are not worthy of such a title.

In my personal experiences with the BNP the behaviour and conduct of those who chase the BNP in the name of freedom and democracy has been far worse than that of the BNP themselves. No matter how noble a cause, little has disappointed me more than a gang of young UAF protestors (their faces hidden by scarves) tripping up a poor elderly man with a cane who was trying to take part in the democratic process. It was more horrific than seeing some protestors with anarchist symbols and others running around with flags of the Soviet Union in the name of anti-fascism. To see a (now-former) Labour MEP standing alongside them was all the more painful.

Sitting on ivory towers refusing to get our hands dirty leaves an open goal for those who already feel disconnected. It astounds me that Labour’s predominant method of re-engaging with voters has been to explicitly avoid listening to them.

It is time to stop sounding the retreat and start taking back lost ground. We must not shy away from the challenges ahead; for the worst of enemies require the best of weapons.

Posted on Sep 15, 2009 at 09:42am

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Wow, Guy. For someone who feels so vulnerable and bullied, it doesn't seem to stop you posting in every subject under the sun.

But frankly this aggressive victimhood shows both a lack of character, and a lack of understanding. I've never seen you call a sexist, racist or homophobe. Though I have seen you make statements about "wanting to keep away from gays" which sound like homophobic statements, and parallels between the BNP and Islam which could be interpreted as Islamophobic.

But get over your soft self. It's your statements that are criticised. Anyway can say things which, unwittingly or not, come across as sexist or homophobic or intolerant. Post those statements up on a public blog, and expect to be taken to task for them (otherwise why would you make them).

But despite all the biographical details you're all too happy to supply about your class, your job or your kids, we don't know you as an individual. A sexist/racist comment does not make one's character sexist or racist. And I'm certainly not going to be bullied into silence by your whiny misunderstanding about freedom of expression. Express what you want. Others are allowed to express what they feel about what you said.

But no one should make a judgement on someone's moral character based on what they say on a blog. Actions in the end determine character, and I've known many people with 'right on' views who treat others appallingly: and people with bigoted views who are actually, face to face, completely generous and unprejudiced.
Peter Jukes @ 20 weeks and 6 days ago
You can keep calling them a far right party all you like, but get this one fact, it is Labour voters that are voting for them. Look at the areas where they are getting their support.

I know that may be uncomfortable for you, but console yourself with this, most of them aren't voting because they're rascist, they're voting for them because of immigration, wage suppression and their towns changing beyond all recognition and feeling like a minority in their own country.

Only when you start to understand this will you be able to do something about the BNP.
Road Hog @ 21 weeks ago
Wait a minute: if the BNP is a far right party, what have we modernising, civilized fabians got to fear? Isn't this a problem for the hated Tories, slavering for cuts?
Mike Stallard @ 21 weeks ago
The only party who worry me is THE GREENS
Just look at their policies.
A bunch of loonies.
Gordon Brownshirt @ 21 weeks ago
Hi again,

Just another note to say thanks for the messages of support. My site http://hadleighroberts.co.uk is back up and running so if you would like to link to it or stop by from time to time I would be delighted.

With enough pressure, perhaps we can bring about change to the Labour Party which will result in a more effective and mature approach to the BNP problem.

Tough on the BNP, tough on the causes of the BNP.
(Oh now I've gone and spoiled it!)
Hadleigh Roberts @ 21 weeks ago
"No Platform" is only a legitimate stance for a party to take if it avoids constantly using fear of the BNP as a campaigning tool.

With Question Time, it's a different matter all together as Labour aren't being asked to debate the BNP, they're being asked to answer questions from their employers.
MonkeyBot 5000 @ 21 weeks ago
I've been called a racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot and many other things by left-wing posters on LL.

I think it's typical of the way they debate, a sort of Emperor’s clothes type approach. Labour seem to think that if they label all opposition as "racist" or "sexist" and shout it loud enough with their fingers in their ears they win the argument.

Funnily enough it's pretty much the approach I used to see "Labour Students" and "Socialist Workers" take at Uni. Maybe when we say "please grow up" to them it's actually exactly what they need to do?
Guy M @ 21 weeks ago
Following you around? Don't kid yourself. I can't help stumbling over your comments wherever I go on this site. I can only assume you're somewhat ashamed or embarassed by your repeated canard "all fascists are socialists", that you don't want me to discuss it here.

I'll put it down to ignorance rather than malice. You probably haven't noticed, but across Europe this "brown/red" equation is causing great consternation, especially among Jewish friends of mine. You ought to visit a website set up by a friend of mine, Dovid Katz. Perhaps with a little more knowledge you'd understand the huge dangers of this kind of revisionism. Read his article in the Jewish Chronicle about attempts to equate Communism with Nazism.

As for combatting the BNP, who as Peter Kellner pointed out recently, have drawn support from a general disillusionment with ALL mainstream parties... I've probably spent a lot more of my life combatting them than you have.
Peter Jukes @ 21 weeks ago
"The next dragon for you to slay is Labour's speed to call everyone a racist."

Yes, it used to drive me mad how between about 2000 and 2006 almost every Question Time the Labour representative would call the Tories racist because they expressed concern about the level of immigration.

They were clearly primed to do, it came up that often. It stands out in my mind as a really disgraceful period of politics, although admittedly under Labour there has been some fierce competition for that title.
James - Man of the Right @ 21 weeks ago
What can I say but excellent article and well worth the wait Hadleigh.

The 'No Platform' stance taken by some is undemocratic. I don't particularly enjoying the opinion of the BNP or listening to them trying to justify their position, but they were voted in by quite a large number of people so like it or loathe it, they now have a democratically elected voice. They followed the system and did it by the book just like any other party, so the best course of action is to engage them and engage them head on.

Their arguments are very light on logic and it shouldn't be too hard for any politician worth their salt to tackle them publically, preferably with good media coverage and let the answers of the BNP representative do more damage to the numbers voting for them than any one can do by suggesting they be ignored. Other parties, particularly the Labour Party, need to trust that the electorate can make an informed decision based on what they hear. There should be no shortage of volunteers who are skilled at debating who can quickly and logically remove the mask from the BNP and show those who have voted for the BNP in the past what they are voting for.

There is an argument that a publised event could lead to an increase in the BNP vote, but if that were to happen, what does that say about the quality and logic of modern politics? It would highlight that there needs to be a drastic change, so whether the BNP sees an increase or a decrease in support, a publised debate would be valuable to the political process.

Again, good on you for this article Hadleigh. I don't hide the fact that I'm a fan of your writing, I do read your blog and I hope to see more articles from you here on the LL.
Bill Dewison @ 21 weeks ago
Great article Hadleigh and it's good to see so many people on here agreeing that the no platform policy just isn't feasible anymore. The arguments for not sharing a platform with the BNP are just sounding weaker an weaker. It is time to take them on properly, we have to trust in democracy and the judgement of the public.
Bryony Victoria King @ 21 weeks ago
I agree with your article.

The next dragon for you to slay is Labour's speed to call everyone a racist.

Yes - people are voting BNP because of immigration issues, however, the underlying problem is one of job security and increased economic competition for blue collar jobs. People who are newly planning on voting BNP will make this distinction very clear to you if you speak to them.
Billy Blofeld @ 21 weeks ago
Hi Hadleigh

The reason you recived kind comments ( from my point of view) was it was honest no spin and a relevant debate we must take away with us and make the points to friends/colleuges etc .

The labour party must take the blinkers of and listen to the grass roots and start debating with the bnp to show them up as the racist party they are

ricki
ricki lake @ 21 weeks ago
Peter this really is’nt the place to be getting into it. Because this is a quality article and does not merit going down in another blinkered discussion with you where you refuse to engage. I will simply say yet again that just because all fascists are socialists does not mean all socialists are fascists, any more than because all BMW’s are cars all cars are BMW’s. Please stop following me around feigning outrage. I am not, have not and will not call you a fascist, so stop getting righteous like I just have.

Indeed it would be better if you used to space to discuss your ideas as to how Labour can win ground back from the BNP. Which might seem odd for me to wish Labour electoral success, but frankly even if Labour is the second most vile party in the UK today they are 10 times better than the nationalists racists version of socialism. Which, in case you hadn’t noticed, is enjoying tremendous success exploiting Labours current weakness.
James - Man of the Right @ 21 weeks ago
Hi everybody,

It's still early but I'd like to just say thanks for the kind words written about this article, particularly from Andy, James, and Ricki.

This is my third appearance on LabourList, but I'll also point you to my blog http://hadleighroberts.co.uk if I may. (It might not be working *right* now because of the hosting, but if you go a bit later I hope you'll enjoy it.)

That said, with this article I also want to encourage other Labour members who hold a similar attitude to No Platform, we had a small debate about it on Twitter but this will be the real test if LabourList is really able to facilitate change through the grass roots on a very difficult issue.
Hadleigh Roberts @ 21 weeks ago
Hadleigh, you've written with honesty, intelligence, objectivity, reason and logic about an emotive subject that is of fundamental importance to us all. I hope that everyone will take heed.
Andy Tinkler @ 21 weeks ago
If you're really interested in seeing the BNP defeated by Labour in some of its former constituencies, then maybe while they do so, you'll refrain from the fatuous and frankly dangerous Red/Brown revisionism that equates socialism with fascism.

Because if you don't, then frankly your professions of support are just a chance to stab a legitimate social democratic party in the back while it takes on right wing extremists.
Peter Jukes @ 21 weeks ago
What a brilliant article.

As a Libertarian, I dislike the BNP mainly because Labour/BBC tag anything "Nationalist" as "Right wing". Milton Friedman was very right wing - so he is the same as Nick Griffin because......?

Straight from the BNP website:

We further believe that...industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the...people"

I've edited out the nationalist angle to show the BNP for what they are - National Socialists.

No wonder Labour and BNP hate each other - the left has always been highly factionalised!
Public Scrutiny @ 21 weeks ago
Labours problem is that the first question in any discussion between Labour an BNP will be 'why has labour let working people down to such a massive extent that even with its racism, the BNP is seen as a better alternative'.

You are trapped by your recent history and your current denial -- until you renounce blair and brown and apologise for the past 12 years and your £20,000 per head debt. The BNP will wipe the floor with you (except for their racism - but that clearly isn't a show stopper for the people they target for support).

Labours 'no platform' policy was actually in place to conceal labours 'we have no answers' problem.

Get your answers... then take the platform.
tory 'killed for telling the uncomfortable truth' troll @ 21 weeks ago
Agreed, and I know one Bill Dewison is also a fan...
Alex Smith @ 21 weeks ago
An excellent article. Honest and thought provoking. Its these occasional gems that gives me hope for LL, although you need to wade through a lot of tripe to get to them.

Hadleigh sir, you are to be commended. I trust your follow lefties take heed, rather than amuse themselves playing out tribal slanging matches over some bit of trivial on who said what at the national level. Where actively campaign for your core vote back is something that average readers of this site can actually do.

I hope LL will commission more articles from Hadleigh and his experience tackling the BNP vote in his area, I hope it will prove inspirational for the rest of you to follow his lead.
James - Man of the Right @ 21 weeks ago
Hi Peter

The problem round here is that its in the inner city and the torys will never campain here the only two parties that campain here are the bnp and labour , with the dissatifaction with labour i am really worried about the bnp .

I know its not well put but i hope you get my drift .

ricki
ricki lake @ 21 weeks ago
Very good points, Ricki. The politics of the BNP must be argued against. They can't just be shouted down. At the moment, Labour's refusal to engage them directly means that it opens a space up for a) the BNP to advance in inner city and former industrialised areas and b) allows Lib Dems and Tories to make their racist creed only a 'Labour Party' problem - though clearly any marginal success by the BNP is to the detriment of all society.

The core leadership and membership of the BNP is pretty thuggish, but they've changed their presentation skills and can't just be met with 'anti-Nazi' style protests. They wear suits and try to sound reasonable. Fight back on the same ground.
Peter Jukes @ 21 weeks ago
Hi Labourlist

Wow one of the best and honest articles i have read on here, This is the way to defeat the bnp , I live in a area where the bnp are getting strong its time to take the fingers out our ears and face them down with facts not spin .

As i have written before that i had to convince some of my friends not to vote for them , they said it was to give the labour party a bloody nose , I ended up convincing them to vote anyone but the bnp , a couple went ukip and a few went tory and one went for the lib dems .

No matter what they say they are racist , They can put on the nice suits and smile for the camreas but at the end of the day they are racist .

ricki
ricki lake @ 21 weeks ago
I agree: give the BNP every opportunity to highlight their views and bring them out into the open for media and public scrutiny. Most people will then see the unpleasant reality of many of their less well-known policies. Censorship and closing down of debate is never right and only fuels BNP membership.
David Honour @ 21 weeks ago