By A. Supporter
UPDATE: Kezia Dugdale has responded to this post with an alternative view of Young Labour activists.
John Prescott and Alastair Campbell treat politics like football. Regardless of how poorly the players perform; they will always wear the team colours. The problem is that politics is not like football. Football, though sacred, does not determine the amount of tax you pay each year, nor does football determine how much a pint of lager costs, nor does football decide to send your son or your daughter to Iraq. Football is football. Politics is everything else.
So why do John Prescott and Alastair Campbell insist on treating politics like football? Is it inconceivable that, during the course of the next millennium, a Conservative Government or a Liberal Government might do a better job of managing the economy? Of course it isn’t. To say so would be to say that only one particular group of people knows how to manage the economy. If that were true, we would not have elections. No, what compels Labour stalwarts like Prescott and Campbell to campaign for a fourth term of Labour Government is that the team they support is all they know; it is also the hand that feeds them. Without team Labour, it is unlikely that any of us would know who these two men are.What is becoming increasingly evident is that Prescott and Campbell, both campaign veterans, are not the only ones playing at Political Premiership. One only has to scan the blogsphere to appreciate just how deep the football analogy goes. Indeed, even a cursory glance at LabourList, Labour’s shiny new blog, reveals a sub-culture of pubescent scarf-wearing and Tory bashing. Self-avowed Labour Students, affectionately known within the party as “Nolsies”, have daubed the blog’s walls with vitriolic attacks on the opposition and, more often than not, have been given a virtual pat on the back for doing so.
Don’t get me wrong; I’m all for political engagement, particularly among the nation’s young. But what I do not agree with is the party politicisation of young people, some of whom have yet to vote in a General Election. Indeed, to hear Young Labour activists speak of their hatred of Margaret Thatcher is, quite frankly, bizarre. The rhetoric smacks not of empirical dissatisfaction but of irrational hatred, inherited hatred even. For if my mum, who raised two children singlehandedly during the Thatcher years, can let it go, then surely an educated teenager, born after Thatcher left office, can survive the day without giving the ailing Iron Lady a damn good tongue-lashing?
I must state here that I am a card-carrying member of the Labour Party.
I say this because some might accuse me of being a crypto-Tory; such is the nature of the blogosphere. In any case, back to the game. The game works like this: if you want a career in politics, you must support a team. Furthermore, never criticise your team while sat in its stadium. Take Wes Streeting for example. Currently serving as President of the National Union of Students, Wes writes for LabourList “in a strictly personal capacity”. So, by day, Wes criticises the Labour Government for introducing top up fees but by night, Wes writes articles called “Top Tips for Team Labour’s Online Recovery”. The question is: how does one reconcile the two? How does one rage against the machine while also wanting to be a cog in its wheel? Such is the apparent allure of Labour United.
Another Labour United supporter is Rob Newman. According to the Internet, Rob was shortlisted by the Labour Party to contest David Cameron’s seat of Witney at the next General Election. According to the Internet, Rob studied English Literature and Philosophy at Cardiff University, after which he worked as a Research Assistant to Labour backbencher, Julie Morgan, after which he was elected as National Secretary of Labour Students, after which he got his current job, Senior Parliamentary Assistant to David Blunkett. At the risk of scuppering Rob’s chances of robbing the Prime Minister in waiting of his parliamentary seat, I’m not sure if the constituents of Witney want to be represented in Parliament by a 28-year-old who has, to date, only ever worked for the Labour Party.
Maybe I’m naive but I don’t know how constituents will be able to connect with people like Rob Newman, or for that matter 19-year-old Emily Benn (granddaughter of Tony Benn), Labour’s candidate for the Conservative safe seat of East Worthing and Shoreham. Incidentally, when asked by the BBC whether or not her name had been an advantage as far as her selection was concerned, Miss Benn replied: “They would be mad to do it just because of the name.” At the risk of sounding cynical, would a 19-year-old be selected to represent nearly one hundred thousand constituents at Parliament for any other reason?
The problem is not necessarily one of calibre. There are reasons why these young Labour careerists have been selected. They are bright, upwardly mobile and most importantly, they are loyal. Indeed, loyalty, commitment, brown-nosing, whatever you want to call it, is the main reason these young men and women have been chosen.
However, there is something fundamentally wrong with the Labour Party if it seeks to endorse readymade MPs, most of whom have been grown in the soil of the party machine.
We, the average voter, don’t measure our elected representatives on their party political credentials, or their connections within the party, or their ministerial turns of phrase. We want people like us, who work in the world outside Westminster, people who know what it means to have a conversation down the pub without referring to politics. In short; we want people who don’t play for, or support, Labour United, or any other political football team for that matter.
Before the cliques, before the conferences and weekenders, before you had to join Labour Students or Young Labour to get ahead, before it all got a bit silly, there were young people asking questions. Not defending policy prescriptions, or sucking up to Ministers, or running for public office, but just asking questions. Why, Mr Brown, do you want to scrap the 10p tax band? Why, Mr Prescott, do we need to Go Fourth when the vast majority of people don’t want to vote for us again? Why, Mr Campbell, do you not admit that you ‘sexed up’ a dossier that sent my brother to fight in Iraq? I don’t see these questions being asked by the young party faithful. Indeed, whenever something goes wrong, more often than not, the young party faithful blush and look the other way, as was the case with Derek Draper, or ask the difficult questions after they have left the stadium.
It is not about the dissent of youth and I am not suggesting that there aren’t young Labour activists that disagree with party policy. But all too often, the winners within the party, those that get ahead, do very little to challenge the status quo, preferring to defend the marginal seat instead of asking why the seat is marginal to begin with.
Quite often, they do so to get ahead and because they are told to win by their party leaders. Consequently, Labour now has a lot of young supporters who, like Prescott and Campbell, wear the team colours no matter how poorly the players perform. Some of these supporters will become players themselves and some of those players will perform poorly and like their predecessors, some will rely on the adulation of the young party faithful to feel better.
It never used to be this way. Labour was the party of the people and not of the party itself. Under Tony Blair, New Labour was born and with it, a generation of young activists who want to win and who seem oblivious of the cost of loyalty. When Gordon Brown scrapped the 10p tax band, a friend of mine defended the decision on his Facebook page, claiming that poorer people should expect to shoulder some of the economic burden during a downturn, a downturn which had been made worse, in part, by Labour’s mismanagement of the economy. I liken my friend’s attitude to Stockholm syndrome: the policy, though quite unreasonable, was from the mouth of his captive, the party machine, and he had grown too attached to the party machine to challenge even its worst behaviour.
While I don’t dislike the idea of a few younger candidates on the scene, it is evident that these people have been chosen not because of their ability to connect with constituents but their ability to connect with fellow Labour Party members. Indeed, the success of Emily Benn in getting selected has no doubt stirred the ambitions of a new breed of young Labour activist, the type that would rather hobnob with ministers than talk to constituents, the type that can proffer support for an unpopular policy but is too partisan to acknowledge the policy’s wider unpopularity, the type that will inherit the Labour Party for better but most probably for worse.
Indeed, the younger generation of Labour Party activist seems more interested by power than by policy and that has created a vacuum where once there was vibrancy of debate and yes, occasionally, dissent. Now, at Young Labour conference, there does not seem to be much difference in tone between the minister attending and the youngsters in the audience. It’s almost as if there has been a three line whip put into place for the duration of the conference, a conference which sees hundreds of brainwashed tweens administering lashings of applause to ministers who have supported top-up-fees, Iraq, and who have spent at least a fraction of their parents’ hard-earned money on plugs and porn.
Part of the problem is power. People just don’t want to lose it.
In the Premiership, most people don’t care that their team is backed by a Russian oligarch or an Arab consortium, or that one of their team has been accused of rape, or that some of the supporters engage in fisticuffs before, during or after the match, as long as their team is at the top. As long as their team wins, the means will never mean more than the end result. It’s the same with Labour United. As long as Labour wins the next General Election, the exuberant clapping, the glad-handing, the hobnobbing, it will have been worth it if you can stick two pubescent fingers up at the supporters on the other side of the stadium, right?
The public, however, are not stupid. They can go online, like I have. They can see for themselves the next generation of readymade MPs waiting in the wings, political youngsters who admire Ed Balls and love Ed Miliband, who think that talking exclusively to other Labour Party members is the way to win the next General Election.
Labour is not, should not, be this way.
Labour are not “born to rule” like the Tories, and yet, that’s how a lot of the younger Labour Party activists carry themselves, and they don’t even realise it. It is this arrogance that the electorate despise in the older generation and, in part, why Gordon Brown and Co. will not win next year. To revel in power is not attractive, particularly when you don’t deserve it.
So what’s the alternative? Disband the young Labour groups and return its supporters to a state of sceptical normality? Maybe. Encourage young activists to applaud less and ask more questions? Maybe. Turn off that PowerPoint presentation on the state of the economy and ask young Labour activists to look beyond the conference hall for solutions? Maybe. Stop worrying about careers, Go Fourth, peers, hobnobbing, getting ahead, careers, election victory, and careers? Maybe. I for one would rather see young activists in comfy clothes, not suits, taking the nails off the shutters and letting some light in, talking to people who don’t belong to the Labour Party about what they want, taking the activism out of the conference halls and into the towns, questioning bad policies and not trying to defend the Party when it’s behaviour is indefensible, and most of all, stop supporting Labour United.
What do you think?
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Addendum: This article was born partly out of frustration. Having attended some young party events in recent years, I came to realise that what used to be a loose affiliation of Labour friends has become a clique of ruthless young careerists, a gaggle of Labour Party diehards hell bent on winning. It's a shame, given the transparency of the Labour Party (and of politics in general since the advent of the blogosphere), that the next generation being flaunted on LabourList are: white, university educated, middle-class careerists, nearly all of whom live in London, nearly all of whom aspire to public office of one kind or the other, and nearly all of whom indulge in the pompous fantasy that the Labour Party will save the world.
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My Gran was a member in the Valleys in Wales from a very young age (she&my mum were both late mums, so it's a fair bit back) and even up until she died she supported the Labour Party, along with other worthy organisations such as the CND and Amnesty International. She indoctrinated me with all of this and I was fortunate enough to have a school that taught 19th Century British History and so I was familiar with Kier Hardie, The Tolpuddle Martyrs and a lot of that By the time I was 14 I was thinking 'why are Labour so rubbish these days, why can't they be like they were', protesting against Iraq and helping out the SWP on my weekends.
I came to university and joined up with the SWP and started going to their branch meetings, selling their paper stuff like that. I can honestly say I've never, ever met such a bunch of disorganised, dogmatic, bitter, amateur and patronising idiots. I didn't notice it so much when I was younger and more admiring, but I just thought 'politics shouldn't be like this'.
I had a chat with the chair of the student's Labour society and I can honestly say it's a million times better. I'm disgusted by the expenses thing, I disagree with many forms of neoliberal financing but for the most part the people are friendly, honest and very very hard working and actually quite a lot of things against the party line are said - like having a go at Caroline Flint regarding HMO quotas.
There's no point in throwing away the baby with the bath water. The Labour Party reflects over a century of hard work, dedication and steady progression(and, for me, family history - with my great uncles and stuff but that's another story. They weren't MPs, they were just trade unionists in the mines). Right here, right now, they're the only party that works. I've been to the hard left and there is NOTHING THERE. If Labour are self serving, selfish etc they're more so - they don't want progression, they just want to whine.
I realise this is very self-obsessed and long but you did ask why would left-leaning, bright people join an organisation that's seemingly steeped in greed and hypocracy.
Admittedly I am white and middle class and in university (an esoteric English Literature student, no less! Gran would not be proud ha ha)
Especially the posts about certain individuals - who undoubtedly represent the cynical careerist end of the party.
I've seen with my own eyes a rich Tory businessman buy a constituency for his son.
Two wrongs do not make a right, but if Georgia Gould needs defending, it should not be from the Tories.
No-one is arguing that young women shouldn't be put forward. I'm sure there are plenty of young women who are members of the Labour party, and have a wealth of experience in life and work that would qualify them as excellent candidates. Unfortunately they don't have the surname Gould.
Please, Jessica tell me which of Georgia Gould's many experiences were those senior Labour party members most impressed with? Which specific parts of Georgia CV made them think that she would be an ideal candidate to back?
I don't know what's more offensive. The fact that those in power can't see that this is blatant nepotism, or that they assume that the rest of us are so stupid, we won't see it for ourselves.
If those voting have any decency or intelligence, it won't be "Go Georgia - Go Forth", it'll be "Come Forth, now go Georgia"
With the amount of negative publicity Georgia Gould's campaign is getting, Labour party members would be foolish to select her. On the offchance that they do, I sincerely hope they lose that safe seat. They would deserve no less.
good to have people discover conservatism
and find it suits them.
I should add that I have never (and still
don't) hated Old Labour. It's the New Labour
project that has always seemed vacuous and
dirty to me. I could never agree with anything
the old-school socialists said, but I respected
them for having principles.
The sooner Gordon Brown is gone and we can have
a genuine opposition that doesn't just want to
steal our old clothes and wear them incorrectly
- the better. After all,
nobody really wants the Lib Dems as official
opposition (except, I suppose, the Lib Dems.)
"She is just a member"- dont make me laugh, shes Philip Goulds daughter.
Am I sexist because I don't want her as a candidate? I would rather see a left wing candidate, but I suppose to you blairites being left wing is worse than sexism.
"How dare she upset the current MP who has achieved so little in his parliamentary career". Do you not see you have just proved the author correct, you ridicule John Austin's career- is that all you lot really know/care about. John is a principled socialist that has achieved more for working people in his constituencies than Blairites like you ever will.
Can you right wingers hurry up and defect to the Tories? Richard, why don't you get out of London and do some door knocking instead of brown-nosing on a platford for a change
Certainly senior 'old people' in the labour party have abandoned any idealism and settled into self serving milking of their positions while they still have the chance, but surely tarring everyone with a single brush is against all principals of equality and anti-prejudice ?
Increased age is no reliable indication of intelligence (and often not an indication of experience), but youth has no specific value in itself - does it?
It seems to me that you have totally confused the issue of young activists lacking real goals, principle or the ability to engage (legitimate criticisms, in some cases) with whether young people should be encouraged to stand for office in the first place.
Young people are extremely under-represented in public life, and while I will seldom agree with Rob Newman on policy, I think we need more people who, like him, have the guts and the inclination to put themselves before the wider electorate.
You're disparaging the wrong people.
First- declaration of interest- I work for an MP. Not in Westminster- I work in a constituency office, far far away from London and networking opportunities.
The part I agree with: it is true, that when I see Labour PPCs who have a CV consisting purely of a succession of political jobs (MP's researcher, public affairs consultancy etc) I do get more than a little depressed. I love my job, but I've always thought that if I ever want to be an MP I'll have to spend a long period of time doing something else first. It does feel like in some places there is that developing political class described here, and it does not feel to me like that class is particularly representative of our party or our voters.
But I fundamentally disagree with this writer's critique of campaigning. Good campaigning is not an alternative to questioning the status quo, or coming up with good policy- in fact it should compliment it! I know I am far more likely to pay heed to issues raised by an activist who regularly bothers to go out and meet with our voters, rather than one who never talks to anyone who disagrees with him and whiles away his life crafting needlessly complex motions for GC calling for the abolition of capitalism.
I think this line in particular sums up the problem with this post: "How does one rage against the machine while also wanting to be a cog in its wheel?" Well welcome to the Labour party! This is the eternal problem of being a moderate left of centre party. How to take power, but not become 'of' power? We've been struggling with this for 100 years! Yes I'd like to see more Labour young people questioning the status quo rather than defending it, but it's also true that if we go too far down that route we end up with self-destructive oppositionalism, too afraid of being compromised by power to ever do anything for anyone.
Despite my misgivings about the diversity of background of some of our PPCs, I'm not entirely sure that bashing those people, many of whom do engage in a lot of bloody hard work, is necessarily the way to address this problem. The way to deal with this is to create alternative avenues for young activists- ideally ones that marry both campaigning and serious policy critique. Currently, it feels to me like we have to choose between groups that are either ruthlessly career focused, or groups that are completely detached from electoral reality and show no interest at all in fighting on the doorstep for the changes they want to bring in.
My ideal Labour meeting? We meet up for an hour to talk about a particular policy or campaign, then work how we can push our view forwards. Then, after we've done that, we go out for an equal amount of time, knocking on doors and shoring our vote up. Politics AND policy- the only way either of them ever means anything.
Oh, that's ok then, wouldn't lie or cover up anything like that would they?
With all due respect, Jessica, I will not be "told" to "stop saying thin gs" that happen to be true and are on the record. the sober truth is that this is a very working class area with a host of it's own problems, which would be better served by somebody, of either sex, of more mature age, who has actually lived and worked in the real world and not a young person straight down from the "dreaming spires".
It is very rare for anyone who aspires to be an MP to recruit a PR agenchy to represent them - and what for - a really competent candidate call sell themselves and speak for themselves - they wouldn't need PR compan ies to speak for them .
Labour = spent force and clucking hopeless.
I'm not talking about lists, i mean the amount of time it takes to get seen. That is what has been drastically reduced. And i do mean drastically. I'm not basing this on any figures or tables, just my own experience (family etc).
Maybe this was not best value, but how can we measure value?
The massive wasted splurges on IT and the like were pants, no disagreements there as I don't know enough.
The choice thing - good idea, badly done. What I mean is that the idea was to improve services, especially for the poor. Julian Le Grand does some work on how the middle classes actually do better from the welfare state and the poor come off worst. This is something Blair has the like were aware of, and they tried to do something about it. Ok, it didn't work but the idea is there I hope you agree.
I too just want a hospital as near me as possible that is good, so that is something they need to address.
One stark example is yours about old people dying in their beds, at least they are in bed rather than on trollies in corridors
Wow. I really wouldn't have pegged that.
ever read here. Shame you chose to go anonymous. You
devalue your argument by not being prepared to show your
face.
In my (Conservative) opinion, if the Labour party took
your approach rather than their current one and had an
outlook like yours they would be in a much better position.
Hospitals have improved - but better value? With massive increases in public spend in this area -
have you seen a massive increase in performance? I'd argue not - waiting lists have come down, but we saw the emergence of lists to get on lists. Massive spend in management and non-medical consultants - massive waste in projects like the Health Service IT programme
which is an unmitigated failure. (Dont even think about blaming the supplier, having worked for suppliers on government
projects its a governemnt thing believe me) Outsourcing of some operations to the private sector -
postcode lottery on drug distribution. An emphasis on 'customer choice' 1. I am not a customer I am a patient
2. I dont want a choice I want a great hospital close by which serves my needs.
Now lets get onto MRSA, and C-Diff infections - Cleaning - food provision, old people dying in their beds of
malnutrition while actually being treated in hospital?
I could go on and on and on......
Schools - not having children I can't really measure this. I know that results are getting better, but i don't think 'league tables' are an accurate measure of success. But the poorest schools have recieved the most help a lot of the time. Which is pretty important if you ask me.
Increased surveillance - interesting. There is a lot of CCTV where I live now, in South East London. Why is there so much surveillance? Because you can get the life kicked out of you for the colour of your skin when walking down the road. Not often, but it helps to have something, that's for sure. Often there is drink involved too.
Labour has done some things very well this last 12 years, maybe not everything, but waiting times have come down and that makes a big difference to a lot of people
The second decision is one that meant that many potential students from lower income homes felt that they couldnt
go to university because of the increased cost.... further marinalising those who are most disadvantaged...
Hospitals - more efficient and better value?
Schools - better educated kids and grades?
Increased surveillance - fair on the population
And you are right I am not interested in tory bashing - labour have had 12 years to make a difference. Oh and what a differenc4e
This is something I’ve been going on about for a little while, which is that party of the current problem is the amount of glory hunters who are not real Labour people. Now, what is ‘real’ in that sense? I don’t know. Socialists? Good start. Poor people? Certainly not, there have been plenty people from rich who are left and poor who are right.
As for being white, middle class, university educated. Now this is a problem. Partly because I am white, university educated, middle class. But I believe that I’m ‘real’ Labour. Why? Because I am a Bevanite and I think Michael Foot is the second best human being ever born after Nye Bevan. What I like about Bevan was his socialism and his willingness to compromise. I don’t really care where he came from, his background for the fact he liked fancy suits and expensive food and drink (maybe even champagne). The point is that they are both socialists, never mind their background.
I don’t want to discriminate against anyone on the basis of their background, only where they are and where they are going.
I support Labour for the same reason I support Southend United. Not because we win all the time, but because that is where my heart and soul is. I am a lefty, I have been as long as I can remember.
I get annoyed at the constant claims to have found the perfect formula of ‘what works’ with no ideology attached. All sides do it. Every party claims that they are inherently better than their opponents. I don’t believe this. I believe what I believe, and that is why I support Labour. Not because my head tells me that they CAN rule while the Conservatives can’t, but rather because I believe politics to be motivated by the heart. Do I want tax cuts for the rich or poor? The poor, tax the rich out of existence! That’s a parody, but the point is that politics comes from my heart, with policy guided by the head.
And to do this well, there needs to be people who get out and engage with voters.
Part of the problem with all the young professional politicians is, I believe, the obsession with youth. Not just in politics, in business to. Cameron is young. Blaire was young. Obama is ‘cool’ and ‘down with kids’ etc etc etc.
The obsession with youth means that older and or more diverse candidates are blocked because they are not young. I don’t say this is the whole problem and therefore discredit the article, but it is a factor.
http://beardedsocialist.blogspot.com/
I'm surprised really how the Labour Party has maintained its youth movements when such negative and stereotypical images are portrayed. I can only assume that, like me, young members believe in the values of the party and are willing to put up with the negative views in order to help secure Labour governments in Wales, Scotland, Westminster and locally because only a Labour government offers policy which benefits the citizens of the UK.
Young Labour members offer a healthy diversity of ideas, approaches and people. I am glad that a number of these young people want to become politicians, but I am also glad of the countless others who want to help the party get elected by campaigning. Criticisms of young people and the personal attacks in this article and a number of the comments do nothing but damage the party and do nothing to encourage young people to get involved with the party.
That just means you're holding the career ladder steady for the people who do want to climb it. Getting "the message" out and "connecting with the electorate" are just euphemisms for drumming up votes.
It isn't the number of doors you knock on that makes a party representative, it's how you listen to and react to what the people say. If you go out asking people to vote for a party that chooses career politicians for it's leaders, then you are supporting the idea that they are the best people to run the country.
And you are factually wrong once again on the assertion that Georgia paid for a PR company to represent her. It is on record that Margaret McDonagh gave some advice as a personal friend of Georgia's and the firm that was at the heart of the accusation categorically denied having assisted her. What do you mean when you say that Georgia Gould has been "brought straight in"? As in, why has she decided (yes, she does have her own free will) to put herself forward in an internal Labour Party selection process? She's not special, she's just keen to represent voters in Erith and Thamesmead. It might just be that she could do a pretty good job. I genuinely hope she is selected to prove everyone wrong.
And all MPs don't have to go through fighting non-winnables actually. Tony Benn went straight into Parliament in a by-election, nepotistically supported in his selection by Tony Crosland.
Stop trying to say that any of this is new. What is new is the level of vicious character assassination that people feel they can indulge in online when they have never met any of the people involved and willfully misrepresent the facts.
You've got it in one: too many people are wholly dependent on Gordon Brown and the Labour party for their careers and their salary, people who've never worked outside of politics much less in the private sector.
Take the Prime Minister himself for example: has he ever worked a "real job" or has he forever been reliant on the taxpayer for his existence?
Far too many careerists prepared to defend the indefensible, from Jacqui Smith's expenses scam to peddling the myth that Gordon Brown is doing a great job.
Whatever happened to collective responsibility being the preserve of Ministers alone? Or do these minions actually believe they're in the Cabinet?!
This comment would normally then be followed up by the normal tory bashing but i know you don't care or want to here about it. I will support Labour because of the number of right things they have done.
And as for sexism, I'm sorry, but calling Georgia a "snooty cutie" Alan, is pretty close to the mark as far as I am concerned.
Finally, you're obviously happy to be fully sceptical of decent people like Georgia trying to get selected to represent the Labour Party, but it might be an idea to be a little more sceptical of what you read. You have asserted that Georgia's 'group' filled out postal vote forms. This was in fact an accusation that was leveled at Georgia in the newspapers, the Labour Party investigated and found that no such thing had occurred. You just want to believe it's true so you can have another go at a young woman who has the temerity to think she could do a good job in parliament.
It has become a very sad day when the Labour Party does not encourage young women from all backgrounds to put themselves forward for selection in safe seats. It's people like you Alan who will keep the House of Commons white, male and old because no sane young woman think of going for selection if they have to put up with this sort of abuse.
Lee. In the case of Ms Gould, Tessa Jowell broke the rules to speak out for her the day before the proposed selection meeting, without bothering to tell the sitting MP John Austin - a breach of ettiquette for which she apologised. Alistair Campbell was also instrumental in "talking her up". Ms Gould (remember she is 22 and has only just left Oxford) published, or caused to have published a very expensive glossy brochure and apparently had the money to get a P.R. company to represent her.
Rather excessive. Most young candidates - even our beloved spiritual leader, Blair - had to endure fighting non-winnable seats before he found a constituency - all MPs usually have to go through this. How comes Ms Gould is so special that she is bought straight in with a solid Labour seat?. How could she persnolally afford a PR company?. usually it is only people like Shaun Woodward who are given a safe seat as a reward for being a turncoat. ms Gould has nothing like that to offer.
Incidentally, I remember being at a regional NUS conference nearly 2 years ago where a then NUS Vice President, and prominent Labour Students figure, basically told us 'as Labour will lose the next election, it's probably a good idea to start building links with Tory politicians'. An insight into the minds of the careerist types perhaps...?
You are canvassing for the labour party irrespective of the damage that it has done 1. Going to war in Iraq - you concede that
you protested - and 2. Top Up fees - you also concede that you protested.
So - why support Labour - 2 seminal moments in Labour government from the last 12 years - tell us all - why labour?
I myself took part in a by election in Erewash in Derby, myself and some of my fellow Labour students were walking round an estate, door-knocking for 13 or 14 hours. This seat was one which the Tories has held for 10 years and because of the hard work of the members and the organisation of the agents involved we won that seat - a fact of which I am immensely proud. This is why I, and many others, got involved in politics, to connect with the electorate and get the Labour message out there. Certainly not to advance my political career.
Far too long as most are.
But's there's a lot of truth in there.
Most of the usual suspects are homing in to the bits that either support or confront their own agendas.
Worth reading in the whole I would say.
And congratulations to LabourList for publishing it.
I think you might be carrying a card for the wrong party.
Richard - her group didn't just speak to members and the public, they even filled out postal voting forms for them, that is very kind of them indeed, but there did seem an awful lot of people wanting postal votes in Erith, didn't there?
I thought we might get the "sexist" jibe: I don't care if it were Georgia or George, male or female, if something is wrong, it is wrong regardless of sex.
If she "goes fourth" I suspect she may come second - or even third.
Certainly in my view an unquestioning, irrespective tribalism is not healthy political engagement.
However I cannot take such an argument seriously so far as it is propagated from beneath a veil of anonymity and would ask the author, at the least, to enlighten us as to his or her own age and social background.
Well Sam, MPs don't have to worry about little things like that - they just claim the second home allowance, and in some cases (e.g. Purnell) they even charge us for their food.
Ms Gould, for example, as a 22 year old Oxford ex-student might well have READ about the problems of people living on a low income in a high rise block of flats, but she can't KNOW what it is like, because it is beyond her ken.
Just what exactly can the finely groomed, oxford educated and highly privileged Georgia Gould offer the good people of this East London constituency where 57% of the children reside within low income families?
How about the Labour party choose a local representative, who understands local issue and represent the local people, rather than appointing a party clone….. Just a thought!
Changing the party, not changing party? Geddit? You at the back, in the three-way "proper student politics" alliance against the amateur trots and muslims rabble, stop plotting while I'm talking.
Draper and McBride come out of this affinity I'm sure. They are Labour people at heart. Mind and soul too. But they've just lost the plot and brought the politics of the students' unions and the carve ups and the smears and very likely the apple pie beds, and the chalking slogans outside the Mandela, and the beer monstery, and the rest of it to the big table.
Difference with Campbell is that he is not only a football, and Labour man heart, mind, body and soul but he also gets the important reality. We're tribal because of the politics. Because of the ideas. Because of the change that we can be.
It's not just about whose rosette goes with our eye colour, who has the best parties, who offers the best chance to win a seat.
In that spirit ... It's not good enough to simply point at the opposition and suggest that they are up themselves blue-blooded, out-for-themselves, hedge-fund-managing, Eton and Poxbridge toffs. Even if they go on YouTube and talk about white power and potted plants.
But narrr! That Jacob Rees-Mogg still can't spell or do statistics, and his sister is apparently one of those potted plants from cameron's Eh? List herself.
Assuming, of course, that her electorate are in need of the experience of a 22 year old who has experienced very little other than having been born with a political spoon in her mouth.
But I suppose that being a vegetarian is qualification enough.
There is not attempt to foist here on the electorate, she is just a member who wants and chance. She has put in the work and just might win! No by under 10 coersion but through votes of local members.
Remember, there are those in the party that want to stop here so much that they distroyed the ballot papers to stop her winning.
The poetic irony is that all you sexist idiots that want to stop her might have just made her the underdog that the good British people like to support.
Go Georgia - Go Fourth!
As you have seen the light and realised that parties themselves are not the answer - and it so follows that the less parties do, and the less they interfere in individuals daily lives the better - why do you support labour who are completely committed to nannying everyone to their way of thinking, rather than a party who want power to reside with individuals to make their own best choices? Choices that may well be different for each individual, rather than a state 'one size fits all' approach?
Your comments also ignore the fact that candidates still have to go through selection and so it is up to local CLPs to select their candidate, perhaps in choosing a young person they are selecting the best candidate who came forward. You get careerists in all organisations not just in Labour party youth movements and to say that young people are unwilling to be critically is just wrong, but like every other group not all young people will agree with each other and some will be supportive of policies which others agree with. The point is that this piece takes a narrow view which ignores the wider context and reality.
Personal and pernicious complaints such as this do very little for your case, especially as there is at least one error in your rant. Young people work hard for the party and often for little thanks other than claims that they are only interested in getting political jobs and careers. If it wasn’t for the young people who campaigned with me and other members of my old branch in Cardiff during the Welsh Assembly elections we would never have been able to knock the doors of constituents as many times as we did, we would have been pushed to do it once. There are a number of other points I would take issue with in your piece, such as the view that young people don’t appreciate why a marginal is a marginal, but if I say anymore I will end up writing something as long as the article.
Thank you for an honest, interesting (and well-written) perspective - something of a rarity on this site.
You sound rational, sensible and bright. So - 'why oh why' are you a member of the Labour Party - a party that exemplifies all the things you are not?
Now that LabourList has lost the Derek Draper "attack / smear" element - LabourList seems to be becoming the vehicle of choice for the hob-nobbing / thrusting Labour youth - and the disconnection with the real world is breath taking!
You've identified the problem - changing attitudes will be very hard.
Here's my analogy for you.
Labour are down to 9 men, it's main striker walked off the pitch because it didn't get on with it's aging star midfielder. It's hatchet-man defensive stalwart got sent off for a two rash challenges on the precocious opposition strikers.
There's 30 minutes to go and you are 5-0 down and it's a desperate fight to save the team from a serious, once in a lifetime thrashing.
Your hardcore fans are already walking out of the stadium, they've had enough.
Instead, your manager is starting to blame the opposition goalkeeper, you've had 7 shots on goal and he saved them all.
No.
Labour is not good enough, it had its day and now it time to make way for someone else to inspire supporters and neutrals alike whilst also having to repair the damage Labour did to the game.
So the control freakery that made us an electable bunch for 3 successive terms has the unintended consequence of allowing too much power to the apparatchiks at party headquarters who now want to look after the favoured career politicians who have courted them over the years. Similarly annual conference proposals that do not fit in with the views of the leadership have campaigned against by party officers and if this has not worked been ignored by the government.
Clearly this works as long as there is a guarantee of seats and government at the end of it but if we lose suddenly all this disappears and many people will have to court the activists who have gritted their teeth and campaigned for them on the doorstep.
Who of these young politicians is going to say that they really did support rail nationalisation or the 4th option in housing for instance? Will they have the power bases to stay involved or are they going to seek some political consultancy as a comfortable alternative to fighting their corner at GC meetings when there is no party official hold their hand and see them all right?
I have huge admiration for JP. He is the embodiment of the party by holding on to his principles yet embracing change in his go fourth campaign as ultimately any Labour Government is infinitely better than a Tory or Liberal one.
Yes, a lot of the people you'll hear here are university educated simply because Labour Students is so active. I certainly would not be campaigning all the time if my first meeting was a CLP meeting which is the BIGGEST barrier to any new enthusiastic young member.
I'm sure I could go on for a lot longer but my final point is this. The younger generation are idealistic and enthusiastic and aspire to make the world better, much like any other young generation in days gone by. Why should a candidate be discriminated against because they are younger than has been traditional. A job is a job. It requires working hard, struggling to make rent and bills. Look at the many mistakes that have been made by an older generation of politicians, are you really saying that the young couldn't do any better?
I'm sorry that you've given up on the next election but the younger generation never will, we are in a party which we see the faults with and want to change. But we are aware that we are the party that will stand up for the must vulnerable and that is something that I will knock on doors for.
We shouldn't also forget - and deplore - the manouverings of certain people in trying to foist Georgia Gould on the electorate of Erith & Thamesmead - daughter of Lord Gould, Blair's "favourite" pollster - 22, Oxford educated and whose only experience of the working world has been fooling about on a part-time basis with Blair's faith foundation: gthe people of Erith & Thamesmead deserve far better; it is aa fairly poor area - quite what this snooty cutie thuinks she can do for them is beyond anyones guess.
There is getting to be good old fashioned nepotism in New Labour and the sooner it is laid to rest the better. Indeed, I can see a similar situation for Labour to the Tories post 1990: too many ardent Blairite in the party - especially the PLP will scupper any chance of unity and loyalty in the party. Until they are weeded out (too soon, alas, to die out). Like John Major undermined and castigated by his own side because he wasn't Thatcher, any decent potential leader who is not a Blairite (Jon Cruddas, for example) will get a kicking from the Byers/Milburn/Miliband/Purnell tendency in the party who don't realise that Blairism is dead and gone. It took the Tories twenty years to learn that lesson about Thatcherism - let us hope uit doesn't take labour so long. A good start would be a reshuffle of the current Blairite clique in the cabinet, and a firm rejection at Erith of Ms Gould. Given the jiggery-pokery there, gthe local party owe it to their constituency to say no - and certain people in high places from meddling in things that do not concern them.
As for the leadership of the party, the PLP will get it's chance once Labour is defeated and returns to choosing it's Shadow Cabinet by election. Then we will see whether original voices with something to say are rewarded, or whether the PLP allows itself to be bullied into accepting the slavishly know-nothing loyalists.
Labour has plenty of good MPs with something to say: Chris Mullin, Andrew Mackinlay, Angela Eagle, Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn, Alan Simpson, Barry Sheerman, Kate Hoey, Vera Baird, Geoffrey Robinson, Tom Harris etc..
Labour also has plenty of dross: Ed Balls, David Miliband, David Lammy, Ian Austin, Liam Byrne, Dari Taylor, etc..