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GMB leadership hustings: Live blog

By Alex Smith / @alexsmith1982

CLOSING STATEMENTS

Verdict: Andy Burnham really exceeded expectations in this hustings, but they will likely go down as the event at which John McDonnell spoke of "assassinating" Margaret Thatcher. David and Ed Miliband were both strong in a way that might now be expected of them, consistent without being spectacular. Diane Abbott spoke mainly of her personal reasons for standing for the leadership. It was a good debate, a little long-winded in places and on the other hand a little over-rushed - but a good place to start for the main discussion that will dominate the party over the summer months.

Andy Burnham: "This Labour Party movement is in good heart. We're debating, we're going to come back strong soon. The Tories will have seen that. We have to acknowledge that there wouldn't be a Labour Party without the trade union movement. Labour is nothing if it's not about breaking down elites. We've been too elitist in recent years. I can reach the voters that we've lost and provide a real contrast to those Tories. I understand that people feel they're battling against the odds, every day. I understand that people feel they can't get on. The reason I keep on going in politics is to help people who feel their circusmtances hold them back in life. I've always feared that tap on the shoulder. I will build the Labour Party built on good working class principles, that everyone who looks out for each other has a role."

Ed Miliband: "We need to be a campaigning organisation, as you in the GMB are. We need to help ensure that more people become members of trade unions. I would work with you to do that. We need to work together on the policy agenda to get back to power. The New Labour culture needs to change. We need more democracy in our party as well. And we need to win the election and whoever is the leader - and if it's me, I give you this promise - we need to never forget the people who put us into power. The PM has to be the leader not just of the Labour Party, but of the wider movement."

Diane Abbott: "This is a turn the page leadership election. I stood because I think it's important that the range of opinion in the party should be represented and diversity in the party should be represented. All my life I've done things that all my life people have told me I shouldn't and couldn't do. My idea has always been "go for it" and even if you don't get there, you will have made it easier for other peopel like you to come afterwards. We are facing a dangerous new government; they're talking about reconsticting part of the public sector. This isn't about saving money, it's about attacking the public sector."

John McDonnell: "I'm not standing as old Labour or new Labour, I'm standing as Labour. We need to rpesenta real alternative to Cameron and the Tories. This economic crisis was not caused by us, and we have to say that we're not paying for it. We can tackled the deficit by a fair tax system, the Robin hood tax and yes we need to regulate the banks, but we also need to think about the long term ownership. We will end the prviatisation, the PFIs...and we will restore public services that have been privatised. I want social rights, the right to a decent home, the right to free education - and that means scrapping tuition fees. I want the right to live in peace, no more Iraqs, withdraw from Afghanistan. We don't mourn after the loss of an election, we organise."

John McDonnell finished both his opening and closing remarks with the word "solidarity".

David Miliband: "We have lost 180 seats since 1997 and 4.5 million votes. We need a leader who gets it about modern Birtain and the insecurity of modern Britain, which is why we have to catch up on housing...education and welfare. But we don't just need that, we also need something authentic about our politics. I invented the BSF programme; I am serious about develoving power. We need to be proud of being British, but also internationalist. I authored the Gaza peace resolution in 1999. We need a leader who recognises we need a new form of party politics, one about engagement of a living, breathing labour movement."

14:20  John McDonnell says Trident is a "waste of resources - and at a time when the choice is between nuclear weapons and public services, I know where my prioirities lie, and it's public services." David Miliband says "I believe in disarmament. I'm a multilateral disarmer." Miliband says it has to be part of international consensus. Andy Burnham says he supports nuclear power, because "if we are not self-sufficient in energy", he worries for his children's future."

14:20 Ed Miliband says he's opposed to MPs having second jobs - but will make an exception for Diane and her appearances on This Week. He says MPs' jobs should be to serve their constituents. Diane Abbot responds saying This Week is live at 11.30 once a week - and does not impact on her work for the people of Hackney.

14:20 David Miliband says "I believe passionately in the power of public services to change people's lives." All candidates seem to agree on the importance of keeping the NHS entirely in the public service. Diane Abbott says "I am opposed to public services in the private sector, full stop".

Andy Burnham and John McDonnell have said exactly the same thing - that too often the Labour Party has allowed to view to develoop that "private sector is good, public sector is bad".

14:15 Ed Miliband says Unions should be able to do the most effective job they can do on behalf of their members, and that there are 3 issues to look at as to whether they are the most effective tools: balloting, strikes and involvement in ACAS.

14:15 John McDonnell has interrupted David Miliband. I didn't catch what Miliband was saying as he did so. Mary Turner had to intervene and ask John McDonnell to move on.

14:00 John McDonnell says Britain is now facing a "Tsunami of cuts" under the coalition.

14:00 I've just heard that Ed Balls is not at the GMB conference hustings, as he has Education questions in the House of Commons this afternoon. He'll attend the conference tomorrow to speak at the public services section of the conference.

David M GMB13:50 The next question from the floor is: if the candidates are all saying they're listening now, does that mean they weren't before? Ed Miliband says "you have to judge us on our records", that he has always tried to listen and act. Diane Abbott says her record in parliament speaks for itself, including her war on Iraq. McDonnell says he's "never voted for privatisation, never voted for a single cut, never voted for war; sometimes you have to stand for what you believe in." David Miliband says "we shouldn't fall for the Tory claptrap that we left Britain broke and broken".

13:50 Great question from the floor: What were you before you were a politician: David Miliband says his first ambition was to be a bus conductor. Mary Turner says "you'd've lost that job, wouldn't you?!" Andy Burnham says his first job was as a trainee journalist, but that he had to give it up because he couldn't afford to continue. He says that experience informed his politics. He goes on to give a brilliant answer, about how children should not have their life chances constrained by wealth or lack of access or narrow opportunities. Diane Abbott says the job of brining up her 18 year old son on her own is the most important job she's ever had, and that it's been very difficult. John McDonnell says he was on the GLC - and that if he could go back in time and do one thing, he would visit the 1980s and "assassinate Thatcher". The wisdom of such a statement really has to be questioned.

GMB13:40 John McDonnell answers the question "would you commit to universal free school meals if elected", simply, "yes!" Andy Burnham says Labour should carry the policy through. Ed Miliband refuses to pledge to say absolutely that universal free school meals will be in the manifesto, but says "it's absolutely right" as a principle. Diane Abbott says she would implement it, and that it's a popular policy. Too many children, she says, are arriving at schools without a proper breakfast: "I will put it in the manifesto."

13:30 A delegate asks about how the candidates would seek to defend the Redcar Corus steelworks. Labour lost a majority of 12,000 in Redcar to the Lib Dems, who won by 6,000-odd votes this time round in that seat. John McDonnell says "we're in a recession, but we've got to increase demand and investment to get out of recession." He congratulates Ed Miliband for the work he's already done on bulding a new green economy. David Miliband says the Tory-Liberal colaition will have to decide whether to continue Labour's industrial investment.

GMBAndy Burnham says he really worries about the future of the plant in Redcar. He says it falls to the Labour opposition to campaign against the cuts that would "damage people's hope, people's future; that a Tory government has damaged these communities in the past - we won't let it happen again". Ed Miliband says he will oppose the government "tooth and nail", that Labour must not allow the Tories to "sacrifice the economy on the alter of cuts".

13:25 Questions have started from the floor. The first is about why Labour was opposed to implementing workers' rights on flexible working. Ed Miliband says Laboru should have moved earlier on agency workers because the party lost its values. He says it's those values that would guide him as leader. Diane Abbott says she can't explain why Labour were weak on workers' rights in this area, "because I wasn't a member of the government." John McDonnell is speaking for a little longer, saying trade union rights are crucial, that jobs and wages should be at the heart of Labour politics, mobilising the Labour support. David Miliband says he wants to create jobs. He disagrees that Labour was slow to act on flexible/agency worker's rights "not because we abandoned our values", but because the Labour government was scared of losing jobs. Andy Burnham says he agrees with John McDonnell.

13:20 No! There are problems with the mics. The hall can evidently hear the candidates, but the GMB's livestreaming isn't audible. David Miliband is speaking now. I've managed to decipher that he believes Labour should be active in communities. Burnham says this leadership election is about a new generation in the Labour Party.

13:20 Ed Miliband says Peter Mandelson fought like a tiger to try and stop the Tories getting a majority. He continues that the shadow cabinet should be elected and accountable. He also talks about the need for "dignity in retirement", with which Diane Abbott agrees.

GMB13:15 David Miliband is now speaking, congratulating the efforts of the GMB for their efforts in the general election. He says he wants to talk about policies, from "housing to immigration to welfare." He says he will be known to the union, not just because of his words "But beceause of what I've done". He says "we need a leader who is a credible Prime Minister".

13:15 John McDonnell says Labour wasn't wiped out in the election, but the party must learn lessons now, on privatisation of "more jobs than Thatcher and Major put together". Labour "stopped listening to us", McDonnell says. He too is receiving a very warm, enthusiastic reception.

13:15 Each of the candidate's pitches are very short, and a little rushed. They're getting about 3 minutes each.

13:10 Diane Abbott is up next, and says she feels like it's in the lion's den. She congratulates the GMB for hosting a debate this morning on the abolition of the monarchy. She says Labour must rebuild both in the country, and within the labour movement. She says she has experience at every level, as councillor, MP and trade unionist, and that the new Labour leader needs to listen. She's receiving a rapturous reception as she speaks.

GMB13:10 Ed Miliband is up first, speaking about why he joined the Labour Party - and about how Labour became too tehcnocratic at the end of its term in government. He says he wants values to be at the centre of everything party does, and who understands the trade union links. He also says he wants to help grow the trade union movement.

The GMB are today hosting the first leadership hustings of the campaign - providing an opportunity for both early frontrunners and those struggling to obtain PLP nominations a chance to give their campaign a lift.

Watched by around 1,000 GMB activists and workplace organisers in the Floral Hall in Southport - representing the union's 600,000 members, these initial sparring sessions between the candidates should give us an idea of how the arguments will be framed, and the way trade union activist support is likely to split.

I'll be live blogging the hustings, which you can also watch live here.

Jun 07, 2010 at 12:43pm


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McDonnell towelled them up; at one point he really got under D-Milliband skin; he received a standing ovation on more than one ocvcasion
Eamon O'Hearn Large @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Alex, could I ask will there be live coverage on any of the TV channels- eg BBC Parliament?

Or via the web as "live?"

It would be good to see fully live, to understand better.

Thankyou too for all your feedback- has been illuminating.
Hazico 28 @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
http://www.gmb.public-i.tv/site/ The site should be updated tomorrow for those interested.
Ghyll Head @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Thankyou Ghyll, much appreciated.

I'm assuming Alex might not be around?
Hazico 28 @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Travelling from Southport to London must have tired the lad out.

Spoke to some colleagues who attended the GMB Congress today and they had a lot of good words for Andy Burnham's performance. For the sake of the contest i hope he gets the support.
Ghyll Head @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
I'm around Jo - if you mean me?
Alex Smith @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Hi Alex- yes- although sorry it's late!

I had left these questions earlier about possible coverage to a wider audience- although you may not know?

It's just that today's events sounded so good, and a lot more to come on the hustings.

Sorry to distrub you; as Ghyll has just said you might be pretty worn out with the travelling?

Thankyou Ghyll too; I would like to have seen AB's performance, and the others.

Must say good night also; will return tomorrow.

Jo.
Hazico 28 @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
(All we usually get via news channels are selected snippets rather than the whole picture.)

Full coverage could have a big impact- if aired- much like the election debates?

Might also be useful to detract attention away from all this Tory pre empting of savage cuts to be announced; and a platform for opposition in this respect?

Jo.
Hazico 28 @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
If I had a time machine, I'd go back a few hours and suggest to Alex that any comments beginning "if I had a time machine" should not be taken too seriously, as - probably - the candidate in question doesn't have a time machine... Not even Super-Mac. Get all six on the ballot paper so these debates can continue!!
Duncan Hall @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Nobody likes Thatcher but it's still a disgraceful comment to make.

Not the first time McDonnell has come out with extremist language is it? We all remember his past praise of the IRA.
Northern Monkey @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
idiot and movements now towards Abbott getting his votes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/07/labour-leadership-diane-abbott-mcdonnell
ian robathan @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
I have thought for a while now that McDonnell's supporters are more likely to support Abbott than vice versa. I think after this gaffe - and it was just a throwaway remark, not some murderous outburst as Northern Monkey and the Tories would have us believe - McDonnell should consider his position and stand aside for Diane. I am sorry to say this as I am a fan of John McDonnell, but his position may have become untenable now.
Alex Otley @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
I'm not sure either could confirm that the other's nominations would all come to them. This "gaffe" was a joke told over a week ago on Any Questions which everybody then was happy to take as a joke.

It's ridiculous.
Duncan Hall @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
It is ridiculous. I guess we'll see how it plays out tomorrow.
Alex Otley @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Indeed - ridiculous remark it was. You need to understand that a lot of the electorate voted for MT and find these type of remarks from some obscure Labour politician deeply offensive, as they voted for MT. Whilst you don't understand this, Labour will sink further.
Graham D @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
But it was a joke! I think the reporting of this is what has been ridiculous. Po-faced in the extreme.
Duncan Hall @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
But making a joke about assassinating a democratically elected PM isn't funny.

And it wouldn't be funny whether it concerned a Labour PM or a Tory PM.
Northern Monkey @ 12 weeks and 1 day ago
What about if someone had joked about assassinating George W when he was in power.

Would that have been funny? You betcha. It still would be now despite fact he's not in power.

Also, whats 'democratically elected' got to do with it? Hitler was elected and I can't see that anyone would have thought it was a bad idea to have him assassinated.

John said a joke that most non tory Brits have thought at one time or another. It was a minor error, a bit like kenny everit saying let's bomb russia and Thatch laughing. Remember that?
Tony F @ 12 weeks and 1 day ago
I've just watched it. It's probably meant as a joke, but shows crass judgement IMO for the reasons I said.
Graham D @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Ed Miliband says he's opposed to MPs having second jobs

Excellent. can someone push them to make comments about lobbyists too? I accept that you cannot get rid of lobbyists, but something must be done to make lobbying open and transparent.

All candidates seem to agree on the importance of keeping the NHS entirely in the public service.

What a puity they didn't say this in the manifesto. What a pity they didn't campaign on this, since we will see NHS services privatised under the ConDems. I welcome this pledge, let's hope they keep to it.

too often the Labour Party has allowed the view to develoop that "private sector is good, public sector is bad".

This needs to be publicised more. The public sector can be better than the private sector, but it will not have a chance to show this under the ConDems.
Richard Blogger @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
If the Public Sector can be better than the Private one, then I am sure you are able to furnish numerous examples of this?
I cannot for the life of me understand why we must be chained to a 3rd rate NHS health service when massive improvements in the nations health can be obtained by adopting the Bismarck model. Is it that dogma comes out on top. Let's face it the NHS is OK, but nothing to crow over.
Roger J. Davies @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Roger: do you realise how expensive it would be to establish a social insurance scheme from scratch? And how much it is threatened by an ageing population?
Mike Homfray @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
I see you are still on a mission RJD, attacking the NHS.

You appear to have ignored all comments from people who have first hand experience working there, or who have researched in great detail, as has Richard above.

Whilst some constructive criticism is always accepted on these issues, a constant attack on ideological grounds just looks very misplaced.

I have heard many on LL say recently they have had experience and treatment in hospital, described as exemplary.

We too also have excellent local services which we use regularly; the NHS is also incredible value for money.

You would soon notice the difference without it.

The public can judge by themselves; and I would guess about 99.9% are fully in support from a lifetime of experience.
Hazico 28 @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
This looks fantastic Alex- thankyou. I will have a good read later when I have more time.

A lot more lively and spontaneous than policy announcemnts from the party machine, which can appear so detached from the people behind the politicans.

I think debates "close to the people" are what is needed to engage and convince. I wish I could be there!

Jo.
Hazico 28 @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Seconded.
Hamish D @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago
Just up the road from me in Crosby as well!
Mike Homfray @ 12 weeks and 3 days ago