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Glasgow North East: remember to thank Cameron and Salmond too (and some replies to my last post)

Salmond CameronBy David Beeson

As we enjoy the result from Glasgow North East, let’s not forget that it by no means allows us any optimism about the General Election – which is going to need a lot of hard work for Labour to win, plus not a little help from outside the Party.

So one of the most positive things to come out of the by-election is the evidence it gives us that we might just be able to count on help of that kind. Notably, from Alex Salmond and from some guy called Cameron. No-one knows much about him except that he got up to a bit of mischief at Oxford.

First up, we owe a real debt of gratitude to Alex. Remember all that talk about the ‘arc of prosperity’ of small independent countries around Scotland? Countries like Iceland and Ireland? Sometimes voters remember. ‘Make Scotland like Iceland’ sounded good when Salmond first said it; now that it doesn’t look so great, he can’t just pretend he never did. Ah, how the best of intentions can sometimes come back to haunt us!

As for the Tories, they were crowing about their excellent result in Glasgow. And so it was. Why, they managed to stay ahead of the BNP. And take a whopping 5.2% of the vote. If that’s success for the Tories, I wish them more of the same kind at the general election.

It has to be said they do seem to be doing their best to secure that level of success. Dear old David keeps saying ‘I promise you pain, cuts and hardship.’ Just keep hammering that message for us, would you, David.

I’m by no means optimistic. Just a bit less pessimistic than I was a few months ago.

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Postscript:
I failed to spot the comments on my last post and didn’t answer them – my apologies. So here are a couple of replies.

First to Guy M who wrote: "When I vote for my MP, I'm voting for a representative to produce and vote on my laws."

Aaah. It’s touching, though perhaps a little worrying - like an eight-year old who still believes in Father Christmas. You feel he ought to be big enough to know better, but you still get sentimental over his enjoying that particular fairy tale. Dear old Guy.

Of course we still make our laws over here – just not our decisions. Those are made in Washington and Beijing, where we have precisely no influence at all (look at what we got for taking part in the Iraq War).

Well, some decisions we do make, on crucial matters such as parking restrictions in London. That is, unless some American diplomat refuses to observe them. But generally, yes, on things like that we can make law and sometimes get it respected.

On other matters, such as whether the world financial system should be propped up or not, we’re one minor player with no leverage, on our own. But Europe represents one third of total world GDP. Get its act together and it can really influence things. That’s what our main partners want to do, and the question for us is whether we’re going to be part of it and have a say, or stay out and go on making laws but no decisions.

Sorry, Guy, if that shatters your illusions. But at least you can feel secure that no fat man in a red suit is going to climb down your chimney in a few weeks time.

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Aylesbury Dad made a more substantial point:

"Do you believe it is possible to continue long term with the current level of public spending and public debt?"

My answer is that we certainly can’t go on doing it indefinitely, but I look at the fact that in 1946 debt reached over 230% of GDP – some commentators say 250% – but it didn’t kill us; the worst estimates for 2010 are a little over 70%. So rather than let unemployment soar and services fail to Tory levels, I would say, yes, we can afford to leave spending and debt high for a while yet.


Posted on Nov 15, 2009 at 09:00pm

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A good by election result for Labour - a foregone conclusion in one of the safest Labour constituencies in the UK.

The date of the next General Election will probably be Thursday 5th May 2010 when there are local council elections in England & Wales. The Glasgow North east seat will be reconstested again then, so Mr Bain MP will probably still be returned. By elections are not a good indicator as to waht might happen at the 'Real Thing'.

One things is for sure, the up and coming election campain will be one of the dirtiest in recent times as each of the main parties jostle for position. Don't you just love it!!

Mr brown is banking on the last Quarter's UK Trading/Economic figures to show the UK 'Coming out of recession'. Don't bank on it. The Bank of England's own figures will probably show that the UK is still very much in recession. Yes, thing are improving slowly. However it will be well into 2010 before the UK is in any position to claim that we are 'Out of Recession'.

Mr 'No More Bust' Brown will have plenty of explaining to do, and most of this will be plain bulldroppings!!
TumbleWeedNumpty !! @ 6 days ago
By no means should Glasgow North East mean that we rest on our laurels pat our selves all on the back and sit back and prepare for a 4th term. But Glasgow North East does show us what hard work needs to be done. Grass roots campaigning local campaigns and relating policy to how it effects "individual" voters on their doorsteps. Obama in the USA with the Democrat party showed us how it could be done with campaign centres activists on the ground outnumbering the rebpulicans over 10 fold in many areas and this is what we need to do as the Labour party here in the UK.

We have alot of hard working and grafting campaigners from across the party and our supporters: From Labour Students, Young Labour, Co-op Party, Trade Unions and many other supporters of our values and ideas. We need to utilise this over the coming months by rolling up our sleeves and getting down to some hard work. Polcies are important but how they relate to individuals on the street is crucial and we need to have people there putting our messages across on Doorsteps across our key seats. The election is still there for us to win only time will tell if we have the determination to achieve a historic 4th term.
Tara Hewitt @ 6 days ago
Glasgow has just 'ripped off' yet another £80 million from the Scottish taxpayer to pay for their over budget Commonwealth Games.

Bain's campaign was negative and the impact on voters in Glasgow NE was that 67% stayed in their beds (the worst ever figures in a Scottish by-election) as they know the real election is in May 2010.

David you are living in some sort of Millbank, wonk world if you think New Labour has a snowball's chance in May 2010. Glasgow NE has a long history of electing 'monkey's with red rosettes', it is one of Labour's safest seats in Scotland with a 10,000+ majority and failure to hold by any sort of large majority would have been a disaster.

For New Labour to crow about this result says all about how desperate they have become. The papers in Scotland do not see this as any 'ringing endorsement' of Gordon Brown or New Labour, simply business as usual and the impact of keeping Gordon Brown away from Glasgow NE.

Now we have Gordon flying kites, that were kites in 1997 which again simply highlight New Labour's failings as he tries to sell them as new ideas - with not a sible socialist consideration in sight.

Finally we have Millbank cutting funding to any Labour constituency party that is not a priority seat to hold on to! The final admission that New Labour are stuffed.

How will Bain fair in 2010 when exposed to the full glare of Gordon and New Labour's failings and the SNP run a campaign on how Labour has 'ripped off' Scotland, having kept their powder dry this time around?

David I think you are the classic case of an empty vessel making a lot of noise.
Peter Thomson @ 6 days ago
74 yrears of consistently returning a labour MP, has doen absolutely nothing for Glasgow North East, with an poor, disadvantaged and marginalised community, massive amounts of unemployment and incapcity benefits. I dont know crime figures but If anyone does please burst my assumption that they are not too good, Schools either.

So "What has labour ever done for us"

"If you always do what you have always done, then you'll alwways get what you've always got"

in the case of Glasgow North east, wexpect it get worse over the next 6 months.
Alan M @ 6 days ago
You are `enjoying the result from Glasgow North East'. Oh dear.

A third of the constituency are on benefits and 9,000 are on incapacity benefit. The second highest rate of unemployment in the UK.

You persuaded one fifth of the electorate to vote Labour.

You think this is a good result? I repeat - oh dear.
Sue Kirby @ 6 days ago
Is it really that rotten though? And does it really do such a bad job? I work closely with the Health Service and I can't believe the way it has improved over the last ten years. 18 week maximum wait! That would have been inconceivable in the nineties.

Worth overpaying a bit on expenses for, surely?

No offence intended by the way. The demand for an honest parliament is completely legitimate...
David Beeson @ 6 days ago
As for the Tories, they were crowing about their excellent result in Glasgow. And so it was. Why, they managed to stay ahead of the BNP. And take a whopping 5.2% of the vote. If that’s success for the Tories, I wish them more of the same kind at the general election.

Do keep up the good work David! Now remind me which party did manage to get beaten by the BNP in in a bye election (in Henley) last year?
Dual Citizen @ 6 days ago
Hi Labourlist

I wish Willie the best , But i think that the problem is deeper, We have a rotten parliment (all sides) As i understand ( am willing to be corrected with offence taken) but we(labour) 35% of the vote , That bad for demoracy and in my own area could mean a seat for the bnp , What we need is a honest parliment , One that holds the goverment to acount and doesnt follow party whips to what they want , Parliment needs to restore trust .

Danny
ricki lake @ 1 week ago