Loading... Please wait...

Fighting for the right thing, against the odds

By Alex Smith / @alexsmith1982

This video was shown just before Gordon Brown's speech in Brighton last week. I've just watched it for the first time, and I have to agree with the people I spoke to a week ago - it's very moving and makes me feel proud.

"It's the fighters and believers who change our world."

Posted on Oct 09, 2009 at 03:47pm


34 Comments · Show / Hide
Leave a comment »   show trash comments ·
Ouch!

http://order-order.com/2009/11/19/guy-news-special-fact-checking-labours-party-political-broadcast/
Phil Mill @ 36 weeks and 2 days ago
Actually a great video. However, I really didn't think there was any need to mention people like JK Rowling. Although I greatly admire what Ms Rowling has achieved and the amount of support/dosh she has given to the Labour Party, I don't think its beneficial for politicians or party produced videos to keep mentioning exceptional examples of what people have achieved. This gives off the impression that what we value in Britain is having a sort of X Factor style way of saying to our young people, "if they can do it then obviously you can." While inspiring figures like Ms Rowling should be given credit I think its important that as a party we celebrate the small every day achievements of the many, rather than the overwhelming achievements of the few.
Melanie Lang @ 41 weeks and 4 days ago
WELL WITH PATRICIA HEWITT FOR A START,SHE IS ON A FEW BOARDS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES, BLAIR IS FEATHERING HIS NEST WITH PRIVATE BANKS, SO LETS NOT THROW STONES.
martin lewis @ 42 weeks ago
One more try and a message. You cant fool the people all the time, especially when their are 60 million of them. If somebody else has the upper hand you must ask yourself why? If your strategy is failing then it is wrong. The strategy in itself may not be hugely wrong but, the outcome can be huge and that is what the poll shows. Will somebody please listen, we have the wrong strategy. This rousing the troops nonsense is vacuous fuel to the Tory fire. The only purpose it serves is to feed those who would vote Labour with the last drop of blood they had. Voters who weigh up perceptions would look at that and retch.

john smith WB @ 42 weeks ago
I address this to M/s Curtis, blind belief will get Labour on a course to opposition. This link http://www.yougov.co.uk/today/ clearly shows where we are a poll that is generally favourable to us. One of my favourite commentators is Bill, he is asking some very probing questions.

The younger generation and most passionate and ideological are still burning a candle for Labour. I think the SKY research is very powerful and informative. From the link below if you click on the age range graph for Gordon Brown you will see that Gordon Brown is generally liked by those 18 to 30, people over this age did not like his speech.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Mindtracker/Rate-The-Leader

The Labour wakes up to stop this eating babies nonsense and tell thing the world how wonderful we are when we are not then we are dead (I am still not voting). What we must also do perhaps is to prove that when we made decisions they were the right thing to do at the time.

I thought I had it right this time , I guess I cant do images, my picturelink has disappeared.
john smith WB @ 42 weeks ago
Hi Labourlist

Yes i am proud of our labour party , However i am not proud of this labour goverment , I am not proud of this labour goverment that doubled the tax on the poorest in the country or one that sent our troops to war based on lies , A labour goverment that smears the head of the army and lies to the voters , I am not proud that our labour minsters think they are above the law , I am not proud of attacking the torys just because they went to a private school , And i am not proud of this labour goverment that has treated the voters like children .

ricki
ricki lake @ 42 weeks ago
Alex

I am so proud of our Party & it's achievements--
This video should stir our socialist blood that we continue to fight these disgusting & hypocritical Tories.

We have the cleverest politician as Leader and the rest of the World holds him in high esteem for his decisive action in dealing with the crash that hit the world like a tsunami.
Gordon Brown was awarded statesman of the year and yet very little media coverage on him receiving this on his visit to America----What was reported was a made up propaganda headline by Nick Robinson(known as an active Conservative)that Brown had been snubbed by Obama.

We had a good conference & once again Sarah Brown did her introduction before Gordon's speech and because she works so hard for our Party & Country we in the Labour Party admire & love her for being so gracious in taking an active part in our conference--Let Nick Robinson & his side kick Kunsberg report what they like-----Sarah did it for our Party because we asked her to--

The Tory Party conference was laughable--The lies & the rhetoric was worse than we would've imagined & the media lapped it up against our Party our PM & Sarah & our Party's achievements

When you watch the Eaton Boys in action you are reminded exactly what Gordon is up against----These Eaton Boys-- Cameron & Osborne have been groomed to be in Public life & their wealth & Royal connections means that they have the whole of the establishment behind them & they don't have to lift a finger anything they need or want will be available & that includes the support of Colonel's Major's Generals etc That's why you will see the bulling don club mobsters Cameron, Osborne & their mate Boris behave so disrespectfully whether at PMQ when they've got their feet up on the table when the opposition speaks or Boris when he offends city's in the North of the country because he is stupid & ignorant.
The Labour Party has always had a struggle while in Government because the Establishment will protect their wealth & status & afraid of our Articles of Faith which is Fairness for all & distribution of wealth etc

We've lived through Maggie Snatcher's recession when she closed the door on the North of the Country & left to deprivation.
Food parcels were delivered to Downing Street from abroad to feed our Pensioners after the state of our Country & the depth of poverty that people were experiencing was Televised throughout the World & during a Sunday morning News Bulletin they showed the food parcels being unloaded at Downing Street.

We will fight the Tories, We are proud of Labour's achievements since 1997 after the devastation they left, Brown as Chancellor was remarkable when he lowered national debt and still increased Nhs, Education, Jobs, improved housing & the longest period of continued growth our country has experienced
elizabeth curtis @ 42 weeks ago
Elizabeth

That very same "statesman of the year" award that your beloved Gordon just received, was also awarded to Margaret Thatcher. Clearly that organisation think just as highly of Maggie Snatcher as they do of Gordon.
Mike C @ 42 weeks ago
Elizabeth I agree with some of the things you have written.

Tell me when Labour MP's took jobs from companies (as Tories have before them) who then managed to secure Government contracts, how exactly was that taking on the establishment and helping the North of England?
Or do we have some snatchers of our own?

I am actaully very pleased with the increased public spending incidently that has cleaned up mush of the mess made by the Tories.

You thought our opponents had a bad conference...do you think Tory MP's having a 5% pay cut was a poor move?

Yes, Boris is always implied by the media to have an intelligence that I have yet to see manifest.

Are we proud of all that Labour has done since 1997?


Hope you will answer.


Ralph Baldwin @ 42 weeks ago
Ms Curtis,

"Chancellor was remarkable when he lowered national debt" Lowered National Debt? Shurely shome mistake, you mean raised it, he even borrowed in a year with record tax receipts.

It briefly went down when he sold the 3G licences that nearly crippled our telecoms industry.

Road Hog @ 42 weeks ago
...and there was a forgotten side issue

On the one hand they got money from seelling bandwith

O)n the other some of the existing users of that bandwidth were forced off it. This included police ambulance and fire service who then had to completely equip at massive cost and in effect buy bandwith and equipment from the companies the Government had old it to.

chris jones @ 42 weeks ago
But back to the normal workers - the workforce it means that:

Users of ICT resources, including Internet and e-mail facilities,
should be aware, and must accept as a condition of use, that their
usage of such facilities might be monitored and should have no
expectation of privacy whether use is for the conduct of official
business or for personal use.


So, for example say if you're the Corporate Service manager and you're stuck for words over what to say to new-ish staff or senior management you can always fall back on your internet usage report list (as compiled by someone in IT too) and pull out a topic from which you've known they've browsed over recently or shown an interest in, particularly given if the information is broken down on a personalised basis. Or say you want to compile a psychological profile of sorts to see who is knowledgeable on what or what they are interested in or dislike, you need look no further than an internet usage site list, as the unassuming employee at work that day and over time slips into the false comfort that his or her own work zone and computer seems to actually be their own.

This needs sorted out!
Peter Milner @ 42 weeks ago
Hello Elizabeth, you are clearly a very loyal party member and I have a serious question for you. As a Labour Party member how do you get your head around Iraq and continue to support the party?
Charlie Farley @ 42 weeks ago
How seriously can we take a video that makes the schoolboy error of conflating (Nye) Bevan and (Ernie) Bevin (32 seconds in)?
Edward King @ 42 weeks ago
@Bill Dewison,

I am disgusted with both Labour and Conservative policy on unemployment it is crap.

People need help asap!!!! to find work, not six months or longer...

I am totally appalled, so the "We are in this together" is utter, utter garbage.
Ralph Baldwin @ 42 weeks ago
The list eventually gets to the modern era and the narrator says.... Sure Start, Minimum Wage and Cancelling Debt...... which sounds so out of place.

It is the equivalent of this list:

Manchester United, Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Plymouth Argyle, Shrewsbury Town, Hereford United.
Billy Blofeld @ 42 weeks ago
Disagree with you on the minmum wage. I think it reside at a much higher level. I think we are talking the lower part of the Premiership.

Ralph Baldwin @ 42 weeks ago
Alex,

I have said this before, this site is clearly proving itself to be removed from the grass roots. It is merely a stooge for the PLP.
john smith WB @ 42 weeks ago
John if you look at some of the Articles I have placed on here, you'll find the PLP are the very people being taken to the cleaners.
Ralph Baldwin @ 42 weeks ago
Watching any video with GB, TB & Kinnock in it does not make me proud at all.

The person who made this needs hauling over the coals. How can you show the aforementioned three with some of the party greats? It is criminal.
john smith WB @ 42 weeks ago
Question: Has anybody using the Safari Browser been able to view comments in the 'threaded' mode.

Since the revamp a few weeks back, I'm only able to view it in 'classic - latest comment first' mode.

Help!
Max Sceptic @ 42 weeks ago
Safari browser only displays 'classic -latest comment first' mode. I think Alex is aware of the problem.
Mike C @ 42 weeks ago
I think I saw Tony Blair's hat towards the end there and I never realised Harry Potter was a Labour Party member.
Charlie Farley @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
Hovis to you Alex. We 'ad real bread in t'past, now it's mass produced corporate flavoured cotton wool. I'm wi' Bill.
Carole Edwards @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
"It's the fighters and believers who change our world."

I fought for what I believed in and won. Only for Jackboot Straw to be a sore loser and against the rule of law, democracy, and human rights. A Minister with power but lacking responsibility. I call for Straw to resign because he is clearly not fit for purpose.

Straw: Prisoners won't be able to vote until after general election
John Hirst @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
The beginning of the video it explains why there are so many Labour minded people here on the LL that are so fuming with the Labour Party and what it has become. How dare the current lot associate themselves with Keir Hardie in that manner! Who the hell are they? What have they done to match Bevan or Attlee? What are these great achievements on the scale of votes for women, the NHS or a voice for the working people of this country for that matter? What, SureStart?

What infuriates me all the more is the fact that people come on here, Labour minded people and they explain why they are angry, they describe it and they complain when they see something they see as unjust and unLabour like and what do they get? They get called 'Tories' or they get told that they are not really Labour!

These are the very people, the people who have supported Labour for generations who are disgusted with what Labour have become, yet they are cast aside by the modern equivelents who are happy to have a government that concentrates more on minority issues than it does on the overall country, a government happy to line its own pockets at the expense of the poorest and a government that has no relationship policy wise with the great things the Labour Party stood for or did throughout the 20th Century!

I see those of a Conservative mind mock current Labour policy and I don't blame them. I don't blame them for despising what Labour has become because so do I.

It may well have moved you Alex, you may well think it is a brilliant bit of video, but I'm absolutely fuming! Why don't the Labour Party go the whole hog and spit on my grandparent's graves because I know for a fact they'd be turning in that grave if they could see what the likes of GB and Mandleson have done in recent years!
Bill Dewison @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
@Bill Dewison

Ok Bill, I am listening to the Question Time you mentioned yesterday. Tories will certainly have a lead now.

Tories dealt with the expenses far more effectively than Labour, with exception. Tory MP's taking a 5% pay cut is an excellent start sadly. At a time when leaders need to do so by example the Tories have given themselves a good starting point for the General Election.

Shame Labour PLP don't have the first clue as to the nature and necessities of Laeadersip, and it galls me to say it. As I and many others asked them to do this back in March and April as the expenses began.

Labour PLP were told to do this FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. But brainlesses is after all brainlessness.
Ralph Baldwin @ 42 weeks ago
"they said that working people were unfit to govern"

Shame nu-labour forgot about putting working people in power.

University educated? Check.
Job as a politician's lackey? Check
Some vague job at a thinktank? Check.
Father connected in the party? Check.

Come right in!

charles Knight @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
Is revivifying the Victorian idea of "Homes for Unwed Mothers", i.e., foyers, brave, compassionate, progressive and worthy? Or workfare? Or compulsory work trials? Or any of New Labour's cold hearted welfare agenda implemented during the worst recession in living memory? Gordon Brown's speech, dead eyes and codfish gape are nothing to applaud. The whole sorry spectacle disgusted me and made me feel heartily ashamed of how far the Party has fallen and degenerated under Gordon Brown's unasked for and unelected leadership. Brown is the true destroyer of the Labour Party, more so even than his predecessor Tony Blair. Tragic, tragic, tragic.
Jeff Harvey @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
Is revivifying the Victorian idea of "Homes for Unwed Mothers"

How about "supervised homes for children". Brown's announcement was not for *unwed mothers* but for children who were mothers.

I don't know if you are a parent, your comments seem to suggest that you aren't. Raising children is not easy. Now think back to when you were a teenager (maybe you are one now) what responsibilities were you capable of then? The announcement was to give help to teenage mothers, the present situation is not acceptable.
Richard Blogger @ 42 weeks ago
As far as I understand the proposal sixteen and seventeen year old girls who become mothers and rely on welfare benefits in order to live are to be denied assistance from the state unless they agree to live in one of New Labour's foyers residentially. These young women will have no choice in the matter unless they can support themselves or are supported by someone else or some other agency.

I think it is unlikely that every town, or that many towns, will have one of these foyers and so hundreds or even thousands of unfortunate young girls will almost certainly be forced by the state to move into a foyer miles away from their place of origin necessitating loss of contact with most of their friends, family and social network, spirited away to a new area probably foreign to them and forced to live in a state run half-way house where they will be observed, monitored and assessed in order to continue to receive meagre welfare benefits that they rely on in order to survive. The only other group of people who are treated in this way in our society are prisoners recently released from jail after serving lengthy custodial sentences.

Whether you call these foyers "Homes for Unwed Mothers" or use some other euphemism like "Supervised Homes for Children" the outcome is identical: young women will be torn from their families and friends and compelled to move miles away from their neighbourhoods to live in residential institutions run by the state under penalty of withdrawal of financial support and a future of absolute penury and destitution. To me this stinks and is entirely contrary to everything the Labour Party once stood for. Even the Conservative Party with all of its proposed programme of injustice in respect to welfare isn't suggesting doing anything so needlessly cruel. I really would love to know which member of the dying Labour government thought this particular policy up. I really, really would. If this is the best we can come up with the Labour Party deserves to lose the next general election and lose big time.
Jeff Harvey @ 42 weeks ago
Here is a "fighter" who typifies the modern Labour party:

Baron Mandelson of Foy and Hartlepool, First Secretary of State, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, President of the Board of Trade, Lord President of the Council.


Labour is so far removed from the people it is untrue. Labour doesn't fight for the people either - the Lisbon Treaty is a perfect case study.

Labour has forgotten what it stood for.
Billy Blofeld @ 42 weeks and 1 day ago
Billy - Lawful Business Practice Regulations 2000 - how very non-Labour!!

The Lawful Business Practice Regulations

The Lawful Business Practice Regulations will allow businesses to intercept without consent for
purposes such as recording evidence of transactions, ensuring regulatory compliance, detecting
crime or unauthorised use, and ensuring the operation of their telecoms systems. Businesses will
not need to gain consent before intercepting for these purposes although they will need to inform
their staff that interceptions may take place.

The Regulations authorise businesses to monitor or record communications on their telecoms systems
without consent for the following purposes:

a. to establish the existence of facts relevant to the business

e.g. keeping records of transactions and other communications in cases where it is necessary or
desirable to know the specific facts of the conversation.

b. to ascertain compliance with regulatory or self regulatory practices or procedures
relevant to the business

e.g. monitoring as a means to check that the business is complying with regulatory or self
regulatory rules or guidelines.

c. to ascertain or demonstrate standards which are or ought to be achieved by persons
using the telecoms system

e.g. monitoring for purposes of quality control or staff training.

d. to prevent or detect crime

e.g. monitoring or recording to detect fraud or corruption.

e. to investigate or detect the unauthorised use of their telecoms systems

e.g. monitoring to ensure that employees do not breach company rules regarding use of the telecoms
system.

f. to ensure the effective operation of the system

e.g. monitoring for viruses or other threats to the system; automated processes such as caching or
load distribution.

The Regulations also authorise businesses to monitor (but not record) without consent in the
following cases:

g. for the purpose of determining whether or not they are communications relevant to
the business

e.g. checking email accounts to access business communications in staff absence.

h. in the case of communications to a confidential anonymous counselling or support
helpline

e.g. monitoring calls to confidential, welfare helplines in order to protect or support helpline
staff.


It was probably this legislation what got Charlie Whelan and McBride in the soup re inappropriate use of number 10's email / internet
Peter Milner @ 42 weeks ago
"What have they done to match Bevan or Attlee?"

Those two would be utterly disgusted by New Labour and it's deeply cynical machinations. What on earth would they think of Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson? A deeply tribalistic coward and a devious bully?

I'm not as Labour voter, but if I were, I would be ashamed of the current lot.

Sometimes opposition is a requirement for a government that has been in power way too long - and if the latest YouGov poll is anywhere near the truth - Labour are heading into opposition for a decade plus.
ollie bear @ 42 weeks ago