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Cruddas: renew Labour around equality, community, sustainability and democracy

By Alex Smith / @alexsmith1982

At tonight's Compass Summer Lecture, Jon Cruddas has called on Labour to renew around the four key tenets of equality, community, sustainability and democracy.

Expanding on his four key pillars during a forty minute speech, he told 500 Compass supporters that Labour must rediscover social democracy and "create a nation for all the People, based on community, solidarity and partnership" or the party will deserve to lose the next general election.

Cruddas noted that Labour's biggest crises and divisions have each occurred after times of economic upheaval, and quoted Keir Hardie, saying the party's "conscience can be dulled by a lust for power." He said that Labour needed to find a new language to reflect generosity and responsibility to others.

Responding to the speech, James Purnell said Cruddas was "characteristically generous" and warned, too, that those who don't know their own history are destined to repeat it.

But Purnell also warned that the economic crisis is not necessarily a progressive moment, and that Labour must develop a new, radical and optimistic set of causes. Rebuilding the Labour coalition, Purnell said, must be based on values, but Labour must also maintain the broad appeal that earned it unprecendented electoral success in the 1990s. That means, he said, regaining economic confidence and not being ideological about markets.

The full text of Cruddas' speech is below:

"We are at a historic turning point.

The electoral successes of the last decade have been unprecedented, but underneath lies a deeper story - of profound economic and social change and  the breakdown of no end of assumptions and political orthodoxies.

Labour has failed to keep pace with these shifts. Indeed, I would contend that it has based far too much of its approach on denying them.

Where our response to changed realities has not cohered into a consistent and credible worldview, or a vision of how Britain can emerge a better and fairer country.

Put simply: what does Labour stand for any more? 

There are plenty of  initiatives and announcements, but no sense of animating purpose - and thus, as yet, no compelling case for re-election. 

Whether Labour remains in government or returns to opposition, we need a fundamental re-assessment of its identity - the kind of society it hopes to build.

Why? Because such periods economic and social change produce major political re-alignments.

This creates opportunities for Labour to reach out and join new coalitions yet it also spells real danger. To survive and grow we must anticipate such changes. And at such times, we need a sense of our own history.

Not just the electoral success and failures of the party itself, but a history of our own ideas and how they have shaped the party.

First, consider what Labour has lost- its traditional class, its paradigm and its optimism.

From constituency meetings attended by dwindling numbers of committed activists, up through the council chambers of great cities that we no longer govern, up through the dazed and disorientated Parliamentary Party, and to the very centre of government, one thing is increasingly clear.

A sense of loss pervades the Labour Party. It is almost palpable. Not just of power sliding away, but a more profound loss: one relating to our essential mission - our very identity.

To start with, consider two losses.

First, the politics of Labour has been fundamentally altered by radical changes in the working class, its culture and institutions over the last four decades.

Fifty years ago Raymond Williams published a short essay called ‘Culture is Ordinary’. It begins with an elegy to his working class boyhood in the farming valleys of the Black Mountains and  the generations of his family who had lived there.

It is a beautiful piece of writing- poetic and humane.  Williams describes a way of life which emphasised neighbourhood, mutual obligation and common betterment. It is a story of pride and dignity familiar to the core of the Labour Party. It is central to our historic identity and our resilience; it gave us meaning. 

Williams knew that this culture was shaped by the underlying system of production. He recalls how from the mountains he could look south to the ‘flare of the blast furnace making a second sunset.’

He wrote at a time when his class was already undergoing momentous change, but he could not have imagined the day when there would be no second sunset. After that, what would come next? The question remains.

Consider a second loss- Anthony Crosland’s model of social democracy. The Future of Socialism (1956) was for many of us always out there on the horizon- a revisionist answer to orthodox Marxism whilst also an assault on the foundations of market economics- neo-classical theory.

It was an intellectual cornerstone for a social democracy built on tax receipts from capitalist progress, an interventionist nation state and of class reconciliation through growth.

It was dealt a near fatal blow when the Labour Government went to the IMF.  Gordon Brown re-invented a derivative for New Labour, priviledging the City and the financial markets and skimming their profits for the Exchequer.

That model is now lost. Fifteen years - sixty un-interrupted quarters of growth - have gone. We were able to swerve around the big distributional issues - and indeed the laws of politics - given the supposed end to boom and bust. 

We are now six quarters into a politics for more austere times. And despite the heroics of the treasury, within the government more generally the sense of loss is acute. What comes next - silence.

Now consider a third loss - our optimism.

Unwittingly, the most telling description of what New Labour lost was contained within its own bible: Philip Gould’s The Unfinished Revolution.

He makes a revealing distinction when he described his parents as having “wanted to do what was right, not what was aspirational”. 

The possibility that these two categories were not mutually exclusive was never entertained.

It is hardly surprising that in the psephological models Gould invented to map out New Labour’s route to power, such as Mondeo Man and Worcester Woman we find our old friend Rational Economic Man resurrected in modern garb- the foundation of right wing political economy through the ages.

In this view of what it is to be human, aspiration consists of the impulse to accumulate and consume without regard to the consequences for others or any sense of responsibility to society as a whole. 

Here people are considered as individualistic. Unsentimental. Ruthlessly self-interested; that the electorate- or at least the section of it that counted- held fast to a rationality that verged on the misanthropic.
By 2001, New Labour’s policies were essentially based on a mythical  ‘Middle England’, drawn up by the pollsters and located somewhere in the South East, built around continuous growth and affluence and where politics always had to be individualised.

A leading Cabinet member claimed that Labour’s essential message was to help more people ‘earn and own’.

We believed it would only respond to a sour, illiberal politics about consuming more,  rather than deeper ideas-  of fraternity, of  collective experience, and what it is we aspire to be as a nation.

To put this simply, we assumed the worse of the British people. But this viewpoint was neither accidental and for certain it was not original.

Thomas Hobbes, for example, assumed self interest to be the only guiding principle; kindness a virtue for losers. Think the rationality of classical economics. Think the Selfish Gene. Think Ayn Rand.

Before his death Michel Foucault wrote a series of brilliant lectures describing how this type of political economy becomes ‘biopolitical’; how its hollowed out conception of the human being - in terms of what we aspire -comes to be seen as natural.

Consequence

A number of things flowed from our embrace of these assumptions.  The idea that voters could be persuaded that higher taxes were a price worth paying for an improvement in public goods was dismissed. 

Even tax rises for the very richest were ruled out, since every rationally aspiring voter hoped to reach the top income bracket and might one day get stung. 

Public and open recognition of the redistribution of wealth and income was out.

New Labour, we were told, was “intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich”. From the mouth of Mandelson, we got the wisdom of Mandeville: private vice is public benefit.

And at the end of that road, lay a completely empty vision of centre-left politics, where aspiration would be reduced to a notion of acquisition, materialism would be all we had.

What we lost was optimism.

Richard Rorty once wrote that ‘the best way to cause people long-lasting pain is to humiliate them by making the things that seemed most important to them look futile, obsolete and powerless.’

This is the experience many ex labour voters describe. To use dry terms like disconnection is to underestimate the seriousness of what they feel:

Real pain and loss - because the very optimism of progressive politics appears to have been lost from a party that, at its best,  was once a byword for it.

The psychoanalyst Erik Erickson once said, quite simply, that ‘hope is the basic ingredient of all vitality’. It is hope that has to be rediscovered- through a renewed optimism.

Now consider The Three Crises of Labour

[First, have a look at this graph.]

Consider the popular vote of the party at every election since 1900. The conclusion is straightforward. Labour has faced two periods of real crisis and now stands on the verge of a third.

The first followed the crash of 1929, and the collapse of the second Labour government as MacDonald, Thomas and Snowden entered the National Government.

The second came with Labour’s loss of power in 1979, the Thatcherite ascendancy and our threatened eclipse by a new third party in the early 1980s.

Now, a third crisis is imminent. If the decline in Labour’s fortunes since 1997 continues, this latest watershed will occur following next year’s election – and history suggests that it will be every bit as dramatic.

It took nearly 15 years for Labour to return to power following the first two crises and the resultant election defeats of 1931 and 1983.

What the graph shows is that the history of Labour since 1900 is a story of a birth and three crises. Each of these four key moments occurs at periods of profound economic change.

The formation of the party came during the change from the Victorian to the Edwardian era.

The three political crises that have defined so much of Labour’s story immediately followed the fundamental economic turning points of the next 110 years:

-    the Wall Street Crash

-     the destruction of of the post-war consensus, and emergence of neo-liberalism

-    and, to bring things up to date, the global economic collapse of 2008.

-    The graph also shows us a strong inverse relationship between Liberal and Labour voting shares at these historic pinch points.

At every major historic turning point over the last 110 years there have been major political re-alignments; the birth of new parties, the death of others and the forging of new coalitions.

Now if you look through the writings of various ‘long wave’ theorists- Schumpeter, Hyman Minsky, Kondratiev – they all link periods of economic and social crisis to periods of major technological change and financial speculation.

All tend to focus on the 1890s, and 1929 whilst later disciples highlight the late 1970s and September 2008.

Carlota Perez for example, historically highlights how these ‘Turning points’ create political openings for social democracy.

Where a new politics of  equality, sustainability and well being become feasible- a new Golden Age. But feasibility is not necessity - and even if there is this possibility, the forces of selfish individualism can entrench their position.

Perez says we are at just such a Turning Point now.

Yet we should be very cautious here.

History also tells us that since its actual birth, Labour has a terrible record at such Turning Points- of 1931, 1979 and here today since 2008- indeed they tally precisely with its 3 moments of crisis.

Is this because from its very inception Labour has been plagued by a fundamental fault line between its orthodoxy and radicalism which is especially acute at moments of crisis?

I would suggest also- that this is not a left - right factional split but it is about building a radical agenda that can shape such historic moments- think for example of Margaret tThatcher.

This tension can be detected throughout the history of the Party- in the frustrations of our leaders at times of retreat.

Soon after its formation, Keir Hardie argued that Labour had ‘its conscience dulled by lust of power to that sense of justice which is the salt of national life, it reels towards its doom’

Twenty Five years later Tawney describes - after retreat in national government- how the government ‘did not fall with a crash, in a tornado from the blue. But crawled slowly to its doom.’

His words echo down from the past- through Bevan, Kinnock and indeed early Blair when railing against party orthodoxy. 

‘The gravest weakness of British Labour is... its lack of creed. The Labour Party is hesitant in action, because divided in mind. It does not achieve what it could, because it does not know what it wants’.

There is, he says, a  ‘void in the mind of the Labour Party’ which leads us into ‘intellectual timidity, conservatism, conventionality, which keeps policy trailing tardily in the rear of realities.’

So where do we go?

Lets start with a return to our relationship to other traditions- notably liberalism.

Labour and Liberalism?

It is wrong to think of socialism as a tradition that stands in opposition to liberalism.

Yet we need to be very clear about which aspects of the liberal tradition Labour can usefully embrace as its own. Mark Garnett identified two rival modes of liberal thought; one he described as ‘fleshed-out’, the other ‘hollowed-out’. 

In its extreme laissez-faire variant, classical ‘hollowed out’ liberalism assumes a model of human behaviour that is rational, acquisitive and ruthlessly self-interested. 

In contrast, ‘fleshed out’ New Liberalism was developed by the idealist philosopher T H Green, and taken up by L T Hobhouse and J A Hobson; it was opimistic.

Hobhouse said: “We want a new spirit in economics – the spirit of mutual help, the sense of a common good. We want each man to feel that his daily work is a service to his kind, and that idleness and anti-social work are a disgrace.”

These thinkers are rightly considered to be pioneers of the British tradition of ethical socialism. Their influence over the leading Labour intellectuals of the early twentieth century –Tawney, Cole and Laski – was both profound and freely acknowledged.

The New Liberals did a great deal to change liberal assumptions in a progressive direction, but their ideas were always contested within that tradition.  The efforts of the Orange Book faction of the Liberal Democrats to restore  the principles of classical liberalism show that they still are today. 

At a rhetorical level New Labour certainly talked in suitably fleshed-out terms about the need to restore community spirit and create a more inclusive society.  It also acted to strengthen public services, tackle poverty and end social exclusion.

My contention is not to deny the many great things achieved by the government, nor the commitment of its representatives.

But if New Labour at its best embodied the high aspirations of fleshed-out liberalism, its restricted understanding of the scope for change betrayed the cynical assumptions of its hollowed-out alter ego. 

It talked quite rightly about the need for the party to broaden its appeal to win the support of ‘aspirational’ voters, but equated aspiration with nothing more than crude acquisitiveness.

This sucked out its optimism and its radicalism- yet that reality was disguised by the proceeds of growth.
 
Coalition and re-alignment

There is much discussion in and around Labour about rebuilding its relationship with Liberalism. However a real danger exists in seeking to reunite the wrong elements of both- of reuniting the worst elements of New Labour with hollowed out classical liberal tradition.

Yet alternative traditions have always existed- in Labour, Liberalism and far beyond.

Ones that are more optimistic. It is not the world of selfish beasts and Thomas Hobbes; of selfish genes, atomised exchange, neo-classical economics- the aspiration to ‘earn and own’.

It is the world of the individual embedded in social relationship dating back to Aristotle; a world of fraternity and empathy.

In literature consider the Romantics criticisms of the rationality of market economics. In politics it spans Rousseau and the early Marx, Keir Hardie and our own non-conformist tradition; of  ethical and indeed faith based socialisms. Less scientific, more a language of generosity and kindness; very much alive within much contemporary debates within psychology, sociology and neuro science.

Less Ayn Rand more David  Hume. It is also a tradition at work within radical Liberalism.

It is a politics of fellowship and solidarity and a sense of obligation to others. It would recognise people's need for security, to feel a sense of belonging  and the experience of respect and self-esteem.

Where public services that thrive on an ethic of care. With  a civic culture that rewards generosity; a society that values reciprocity over competition- it nurtures what Bevan used to define as serenity.

Yet as the late G.A. Cohen argues in a book published posthumously, Why Not Socialism? , the problem is one of design.  The technology for giving primacy to our acquisitive and selfish desires already exists in the form of a capitalist market economy. 

But we have not yet adequately devised the social technology capable of giving fullest expression to the generous and altruistic side of our personality.  That is the main task of the future left.

It means new political alliances. Alliances of this kind are not at odds with Labour’s traditions. Think of our support for the radical elements of the 1906 Liberal government; think of Sir Charles Dilke unofficial chair of the ‘social radicals’; think of the influence of social liberalism on the 1945 labour Government.

At its best, labour has been at the heart of broarder social and cultural movements. Again, think of Hardie and his alliances with suffragetts, anti imperialist struggles, peace movements and colonial nationalism. Later think of 1945, then the major liberal initiates of Labour from 1964-1970; think of the coalition secured by Blair from 1994-2001. It is when Labour’s orthodoxy wins out that it retreats from such movements- often at moments of crisis.

A Programme

But what might be the programme?

Let's start with four pillars: Equality, Community, Sustainability and Democracy.

Equality

We stand for equality because it is the precondition for the liberty of all and that is about social justice. The more resources you have the more courses of action are open to you. As Richard Tawney argues, liberty is ‘equality in action’ (p168 Equality).
 
The American economist Robert Frank details how higher inequality leads to increasingly extravagant expenditure and consumption patterns at the top. 

This creates “expenditure cascades” and “positional arms races” that drive up the cost of living for middle class consumers. 

The motivating force behind this dynamic is not envy, but the desire to keep up with changing norms of consumption and lifestyle being driven from above.

Also think how the impact of inequality on the poor affects the well-being of others. 

Collapsing social mobility has created an underclass that is acutely aware of its poor economic prospects and seeks various forms of escapism to compensate some benign many malign.

As such we must seek equality of human dignity and moral worth.  In a society based on the principle of fellowship, no group of individuals should be so rich or poor that they are able or forced to live as a class apart. 

The aim is not to impose uniformity of material condition.  It is a society in which differences of wealth and income are contained within limits that allow the individuals to relate to each other in a spirit of mutual regard. 

This lies behind the thinking of the Compass High Pay Commission- of which you will hear a lot over the coming months.

It lies behind the need for greater tax justice where we all contribute fairly. It lies behind the need to close tax havens. A radical overhaul of the system to build a more equal distribution of income and wealth.

It lies behind reasons why we should index link benefit levels, pensions and the minimum wage to movements in average incomes.

It is why we must intensify efforts to end child poverty.

It lies behind support for the Equality Bill. And the need to reconsider a graduate tax.

It lies behind the need to defend and redefine a European Social Model under attack in the European Court of Justice.

It lies behind why we should have a  Fair Employment Clause in all public contracts- to use the power of procurement to challenge race, class and gender inequalities amongst the working poor.

It lies behind windfall and transaction taxes and resetting capital gains tax.

Before the Autumn Statement Compass will launch a radical programme to reconfigure tax and expenditure plans in a search for greater distributive justice.

Community

Karl Polanyi described the ‘double movement of capitalism’. On the one hand the market destroys old social networks and reduces all human relations to commercial ones yet on the other is the counter tendency to defend human values, the search for community and security’.

Community brings together equality and liberty because it is about fraternity and interdependence. Community is a rejection of the logic of the market. It is about the mutual nature of human relationships: ‘I give because you need’.

We no longer live in communities in which people share the same customs and culture. But the ideal of community with its ethics of reciprocity and solidarity remains as powerful as ever- especially at moments of crisis. We seek a mutual respect that grants self esteem, and creates a sense of belonging.

Today neuroscience and research into brain development confirm their view that human beings only fully develop and flourish within social relationships.

This reasoning lies behind the need to build the care economy for all generations at local level with special focus on early years, support for carers and the elderly.

It lies behind the need to a housing crusade- rebuilding the mixed economy through massive investment in social housing as nearly five million are in need of a home for rent.

It lies behind the need to genuinely free up local authorities to borrow and invest in local priorities. Local bond finance for local infrastructure. The reform of local taxation. Too often centralised funding streams and prescriptions have warped our search for equality.

It means we need to reconnect the excluded and rebuild trust across communities- for example a regularisation of those who have no status and suffer appalling poverty and degradation from landlords, employers and criminal gangs.

It means great help for those communities- often the poorest- who have experienced tremendous change through unparalleled levels of immigration. Off the radar of Westminster who remain attached to a completely out of date census.

This search for community and security also implies a new covenant with the military- to improve the working lives of service men and women. More mental health care, equipment, housing and support for our veterans. Why not pay for it by scrapping Trident.

It implies more front line policing, more youth outreach centres and expansion of restorative justice and family conferencing.

Sustainability

Global warming is threatening the planet. We are approaching   the  ‘topping-out point’ of oil – the peak of production, after which oil. The world is facing a crisis in food production and widespread shortages of water.  The politics of climate change shows that our inter dependency goes beyond our fellow human beings to include the earth’s biosphere.

Stern highlighted the ‘the greatest market failure in human history’. Young people are already joining up these dots. They are joining and leading the emerging climate movement.

Like the early socialism, the new ecological movements are making politics personal and moral. They are asking the important questions about the ways we live and what it means to be human.

We need to marry up the core values of the greens and the labour movement and join the dots between democracy, equality and ecological sustainability. The ecological crisis, like the economic crisis is hitting the people Labour was founded to protect.
 
Social democracy must be built on sustainable foundations and global economic recovery has to be low-carbon. Transforming economies needs strong, strategic state intervention.

By harnessing the wind and the waves, we can move toward energy independence. We can build on the ingenuity in our universities and the skills of our graduates to create millions of new green jobs and restore the place of British manufacturing in the world.

It lies behind support for Ed Miliband and his progressive targets and installation targets.

It lies behind the  Green New Deal, creating employment opportunities for young people.

Why we should ensure that by 2020, the UK is generating at least 15% of its energy – heat, electricity and transport – from renewable sources.

Why we should introduce tough new emissions performance standards for power stations?
 
Prevent unsustainable aviation growth wiping out carbon reductions made in other sectors by ending the expansion of UK airports- including the runway at Heathrow.

It lies behind creating a new green industrial activism for the 21st century.

It lies behind developing an integrated transport policy.

It's what lies behind why we should commit Britain to an unprecedented civil mobilisation against global warming.

Democracy

To build equality, to create community, and to secure a sustainable future we must strengthen our democracy. We need constitutional change and proportional representation- to push power out of Whitehall and closer to the people.

The economic crisis partly arises  from the failure of democracy to properly regulate the banks and markets. We should consider mutualising those  parts of the  finance sector currently under state control and learn from Australia regarding new forms of regulated superannuation.

Our public services need democracy, the choice agenda is not enough. The economy and our workplaces need democracy. Business and industry must be accountable to their employees and wider stakeholders.  Wider more resilient forms of share ownership are necessary.

This lies behind the need for a radical economic democracy- for example a universal banking obligation with new insitutions to offer decent financial products to all of our communities, controls on usuary and a Credit card Bill of Rights for consumers.

Concluding Points

To return to where we started.

Raymond Williams one said: ‘To be  truly radical is to make hope possible rather than despair convincing’. Many now feel despair.

We feel great loss. The things that we took as given have abruptly gone- like growth.

At such moments hope is key to avoid despair.

Our history tells us that these turning points are dangerous moments- if we retreat.

We must contest this turning point. We can still win.

My argument is not simply an argument about Labour; this is not about internal issues.

Think for a moment about the Tories.

Earlier I talked about how declining economic growth has lost Labour its revisionist mode.

But this is the same for the Tories. 

Camerons’s  ‘Progressive Conservatism’ was built on the assumption of sharing the proceeds of growth; that the Thatcherite early 80s resolved all the issues of economics.

Yet when the first economic storm clouds gathered they retreated.

Think about what is emerging. Think about how despite the empathy everything coming out from the Centre for Social Justice is punitive.

Think about the party of Daniel Hannan. Not some side show but a man whose central philosophy is hardwired into the mindset of the young tories.

Think about their laboratories in Hammersmith, in Essex and in Barnet.

It tells us of the brutality that lies ahead- the notion of ‘easycouncil’; of social care and housing cuts in west London; of a fundamental assault on local authorities wrapped up in the language of quangoes.

Just think of this weekends stories of regionalised benefits, mass privatisations and across the board cuts.

Last week they signalled a moratorium on hew house building.

Look who leads their group in Europe.

Think and explore the Wisconsin benefits model.

Look at the glint in the eye when they talk about cuts; the relish.

Why is it that after a summer in which the Tories have shown their true colours, we have barely laid a glove on them?

why is it that this Thatcherism has grabbed so easily the mantle of progressivism?

I would suggest it is because we have lost our language, our empathy our generosity; because we have retreated into a philosophical framework of the right.

This is not an internal debate at all.

It is about protecting the most vulnerable through proudly defending a notion of a modern social democracy

It is only be returning to our traditions, our language and our radicalism that we can confront this very dangerous force; build an authentic political fight built around a fundamentally different approach to society and humanity.

We can still win.

Consider two final quotes

 ‘believe in the possibility of building up a sane and ordered society, to oppose the squalid materialism that dominates the world today, and to hold out their hands in friendship and good will to the struggling people everywhere who want only freedom, security and a happier life’.

And try this : ‘A nation for all the people, built by the people, where old divisions are cast out. A new spirit in the nation based on working together, unity, solidarity, partnership.. That is the patriotism of the future. Where your child in distress is my child, your parent ill and in pain is my parent, your friend unemployed or homeless is my friend; your neighbour my neighbour. That is the true patriotism of a nation’.

One was Tony Blair in 1994  The other The Manifesto of the Labour Party 1923.

We need to rediscover that spirit of social democracy.

It is an imperative- or else we will go down to catastrophic defeat and deserve to.

Or else millions of vulnerable people will suffer at the hands of a nasty, extremist party that lies just beneath the veneer."

Posted on Sep 08, 2009 at 10:44pm


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According to Cruddas: "In its extreme laissez-faire variant, classical ‘hollowed out’ liberalism assumes a model of human behaviour that is rational, acquisitive and ruthlessly self-interested."

This is plain wrong. Classical liberalism is about allowing individuals to pursue their own interests precisely because individuals are always interested in more things than ruthless acquisition. In practice, people want to go down the pub with their mates, run a marathon for charity, help out with the local Brownie group, reads blogs about politics etc...ad infinitum.

Milton Friedman explains this point explicitly in his book 'Free to Choose: A Personal Statement'. Classical liberalism is an optimistic view of human nature which believes that individuals can grow and improve when you give them responsibility and freedom. And one of the most important respects in which an individual can grow is by gaining a broader understanding of their own interests. As even Cruddas recognised, we are happier (and, according to some recent studies, even smarter) when we interact with other people. So it is in our interests to be charitable, friendly, cheerful and generous, even if all these things are in the first instance selfless.

Cruddas thinks classical liberalism is a synonym for selfishness. This misapprehension is the root of his problems. The prescription is a good dose of Milton Friedman.
Phil Mill @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
Is Mr Cruddas aiming for the top job maybe? Another leadership contest to oust Mr Brown... and why not. Brown is a 'Car Crash on Stilts'... the sooner he goes, the better the Labour Party have of salvaging some of their lost credibility with the UK Public. Unfortunately the time has passed, and its far too late to do anything worthwhile now. But maybe a change of Party leader will give the faithful a ray of hope that any election disaster might be mitigated with Brown long gone.
TumbleWeedNumpty Mr Captain Mainwaring @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
As a Labour party we stand on the brink of disaster.

I almost wrote that we are sleep-walking to this disaster, but we are not. We are marching towards it with our heads up and stoking the fires so that the conveyor belt increases in speed.

Twice we have suffered electoral obliteration on a generational scale and twice we have recovered. Will we do that again? Our core base has gone, either into the world of apathy, thinking that no politician will ever help them, so what is the point, or into a darker world of supporting a extremist bunch of liars because they prey on people who feel forgotten about.

We also have the added problem at the moment of a membership that is shrinking every month, a membership that do not feel they have any voice or any say, a membership that no longer wants to provide the money to keep this party functioning. We will then have two choices, cuddle up to big business or dance on the unions string. Needless to say, I am not fully happy about either. We need variety in our party, if the day comes that we are relying on one funding source, this will be the day we should all be very worried.

As a Labour Party we need to listen to what people like John Cruddas says, because it is people like him who have been proved right and when we do lose the next election, there will be a fight for the future of this party and the future cannot be more of the same.


Alex Gilmore @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Are we reading the same speech here? You read that and thought we need to listen to John Cruddas?

He may be mixing in what the Labour minded wants to hear, but there is a strain of New Labour riddled throughout and he isn't offering real change, he is offering New Labour in a different suit. How he does this is with classic double speak that Labour have become known for thanks to the helpful advice of Campbell, but it is offensive rubbish when you read it carefully.

I wouldn't follow Cruddas to a bus stop, let alone into an election. He is another of the self-serving individuals who will take the pound rather than the flak.

Where are the truely Labour minded politicians these days anyway? Where are the voices of passion? And where are the champions we have had in the past? I'll keep asking, even after election night.
Bill Dewison @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
The way I see it is if Labour can't please me (and Labour List keep censoring my comments or publishing the wrong stuff) they'll lose me. They can disagree but, from my perspective, if they're losing me they're completely fubared. We're talking electoral oblivion and distress purchase only territory.

Fine, carry on.
Charles Hardwidge @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
You've lost me Charles, I'm not sure what you are refering to? Please could you explain and a kind request to the moderator, could you ensure Charles' comment comes through so I understand where he is coming from?

As I understand it, the majority of what doesn't come through contains foul language or something that will offend the majority of those on LL, the people who moderate the site don't moderate it to censor opinion or perspective.
Bill Dewison @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
As long as it's not his psuedo-zen nonsense or lectures on how he invented the computer games industry.
MonkeyBot 5000 @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
Bill: Swearing and abuse aren't the same thing. I've explained my position and where Labour List get it wrong. But, I might as well be talking to myself because it's just one more thing that gets ignored.

MB5000: You can apologise for that offensive comment and libel. You should be aware that I don't read and have never posted on GF if that's where you're getting it from. So you can go park the ego.
Charles Hardwidge @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
Couldn't agree more Alex. Cruddas represents the solid good sense of Labour tradidion. In 20 years time 'New Labour' will appear as a dreadful mistake and hugely wasted opportunity.
Tom Sacold @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago
"I almost wrote that we are sleep-walking to this disaster, but we are not. We are marching towards it with our heads up and stoking the fires so that the conveyor belt increases in speed."
Alex, this is the thing that I and others on the right find so astonishing. You guys know that you have no values, but make no attempt to debate what they should be. You know your Leader is a depressive pill popping malevolent weirdo, and yet make no attempt to remove him. You know that your legacy is ruinous yet try and defend it. You know that socialism has once again ruined the country financially, but cling to it. You know that civil liberties have been trashed under New Labour, who promote a corporatist over regulated state and yet you don’t disown it.

I do think that most Labour members now actually want to lose the election as soon as possible. Because none of you can begin to grasp how to fix the existing party, so you know it has to be destroyed so it can be rebuilt.
James - Man of the Right @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
But sometimes if you have a house so far gone towards collapse isn't it better to knock it down and rebuild from the foundations up?

I'm all for a make-over but only if the structure is in good shape.
G BN @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
What have we been doing for the last 12 years mr cruddas,all the points you made should have been attended to or started by now, but no as ricki states we dont want to listen anymore, all we stand for is rhetoric ,the voters arent stupid enough of talk more action please.
martin lewis @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
I agree with a lot of his analysis, though Sunder is right that it's unfair to Tony Blair, who did argue successfully for higher spending based on taxes, against the Tory case for cuts in tax and spending. I reckon Cruddas is ahead of his rivals in trying to locate an ideological position for the party post-2010, and in realising the full scale of the disaster we may face next year. He's not half as complacent as the Cabinet seem to be.


It's not about influencing the Cabinet, though, is it Ralph? It's about his bid to lead the shadow cabinet next year, it seems to me. He doesn't say so of course, but this is in truth a speech for a coming period of opposition.

I was a bit disappointed about some of the policy ideas: does he really think PR will push power "away from Whitehall"? It'd be much better, if that's his aim, to focus on freeing local government, something he also mentioned. He seemed to hint at an amnesty for illegal immigrants, which will be much more popular within the party than it would be among the public. He should be clearer and make the case, though, if he's for it. I very much liked his call for a graduate tax, though - something the SDP used to argue for, as I recall, and much fairer than making them all repay these bloody loans. And for a high pay commission.
Carl Gardner @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Labour don't "get it" in the same way Labour List doesn't "get it". Poor branding, and poor editing and community moderation tick me off as a routine. It's why there's a leadership vacuum and Labour List is trailing in third place, and why Britain always hits these crisis but keeps spinning back into the old left-right ding dong.

Labour have to get over their top heavy authoritarianism and listen, develop a sense of self leadership and not let the Tory tail wag the dog. To wit: If British politics has to change Labour has to change so it jumps over the cause and effect cycle. Labour are banging on about ideas and panicking over polls, getting more and more abstract and feeding worry. Wrong. You have to be more practical and sociable. Be the real deal as opposed to the Tory fake out.

If I'm so wrong how come my policy positioning and feel of the market is 1000% better than Labour's leadership and "new media" campaign? No, I don't want to hear people poncing on about how hard it is or why don't I do it. That's not the issue. The issue is why do I have to watch this damn clown act because if I did have the opportunity and resources I sure as hell wouldn't be pissing it down the wall like this.

I still believe Labour can win but if Labour lose, Cruddas is perfectly positioned to be the next leader and go for the win instead of Labour picking fluff out of its own navel for the next decade. Pick Harmann and it's suicide. Heck, if Labour do lose and Cruddas is the next leader I might even do my own blog, clean Labour's clock, and make enough to retire to a hot island by owning the space they could have occupied.

Go on, censor this and lose. I dare you.
Charles Hardwidge @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Cruddas: renew Labour around equality, community, sustainability and democracy

If cruddas believed that labour already had these things, this whole thing would be redundant - so he must believe that they are missing from labour. I wonder if he thinks labour lost them or never had them in the first place?

I think the 'easycouncil' attack is going to backfire... - even when you pay for 'extras' on a budget airline, you have more money left than if you paid for a traditional airline.
tory 'killed for telling the uncomfortable truth' troll @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Hi Again

We go about equality for women which is good and that the house should represent the people that put them there , How does this stand with the fact if you are a former crimanl you are not allowed to stand ? where is the balance? .

We ask those convivted of crime to reabilate but wont allow them to stand for parliment .

Is this equality?

ricki?
ricki lake @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
I don't believe ordinary people view the world in terms of esoteric philosophies but in terms of family economics and life opportunities available to them and their families.

When there is change the biggest losers are those are those lesser skilled at the bottom of society, many who are natural labour voters. Labour does badly when they is massive change because these voters are adversely affected. Proportionally these people are the heaviest taxed.

Immigration puts pressure on the jobs of those at the bottom who are the most easily displaced because they have no special skills. Any financial crunch also affects these same people more than others who have more skills. Labour has no plans for these people. The top 50% are expected to go too university, but what life opportunities have been created for the bottom 50%.
Labour has allowed the skilled factory job base in the UK to contract with no thought as to how to replace the job opportunities lost with others offering similar pay. Hence they are forced to work for minimum pay in distribution etc. Their children have little chance of ever getting enough pay to live away from home, instead of getting a skilled factory job post school.
If they had been higher class they could have thousands spent on their further education. Some may want to train as lorry drivers but can never afford the £1000+ to train. They see companies taking on already trained foreign lorry drivers. What are they expected to think of UK government?
A home owner from eastern Europe can rent their house out and present themselves and family to a local council here and instantly be at the top of the free housing list as they have nowhere to live. What are locals expected to think who see this means they will never have the chance of a council home and be forced to live in cramped accommodation with parents. What are they expected to think of UK government?
Labour is incapable of seeing the world as seen by those at the bottom and has little thought for them. Therefore it is not surprising that the labour vote softens when times are hard.
Derek Emery @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Hi labourlist

John Crudess is a good Mp , But then to mention James Purnell who wants to scare the disabled back to work wether fit or not and say that this is Labour core values is very disturbing .

How can James Purnell be Labour mp ? Is He a Tory plant ?.

All we seem to do is take one step forward and three steps back.

ricki
ricki lake @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
‘believe in the possibility of building up a sane and ordered society, to oppose the squalid materialism that dominates the world today, and to hold out their hands in friendship and good will to the struggling people everywhere who want only freedom, security and a happier life’.

Well, well , well.

He got it wrong in almost every possible phrase didnt he?
Alan M @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Interesting speech However,in its efforts to create 'community', NuLabour has assumed that social problems can be solved by throwing millions into fake charities,quangos and the like (many of which pander to special interest
groups), and by creating thousands of public sector (non)jobs all with the prefix 'community'.
Government has failed to get to grips with a bloated and inefficient benefits system (Frank Field knew what to do, but no-one listened)It has tinkered endlessly with health and education in England (not Scotland)
Just a few reasons why Labour has lost its core vote, including mine. Raymond Williams seems antiquated now.
@ 46 weeks and 3 days ago

It is an imperative- or else we will go down to catastrophic defeat and deserve to.


That statement is of course incorrect. After all the worngs and lies and mess Labour has made..it should read:


It is an imperative THAT we go down to catastrophic defeat and deserve to.
madasa fish @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
renew Labour around equality, community, sustainability and democracy

At least Cruddas recognises that Labour do not currently support these things. They may talk about them, but the do nothing to support them.

For a ruling party to have failed to support these things is the reason labour are destined for a generation of opposition (at best - at worst, oblivion).

tory 'killed for telling the uncomfortable truth' troll @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Hi Alex /Labourlist

I posted a link to a childrens charity http://www.affoundation.co.uk/ and this post was deleted , i thought we helped the disavantaged .

This however seems not to be you policy , If i am wrong then please publise this on you site .

ricki
ricki lake @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Hi Alex

Thankyou xxxxxx
ricki lake @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Delusional at best, Cruddas appears to identify a problem but then rely on purely New Labour style spin to answer that problem.

This is the future of the Labour Party?
Bill Dewison @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
He certainly does Bill. I think I'll keep my sights and expectations in the real world. Nice mini-essay/speech though. I wrote to Jon welcoming his speech but wishing him luck on influencing the leadership/Cabinet, the ball is, as it has been for some time, in their court.....
Ralph Baldwin @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
There is a lot to grapple and engage with here.

One quibble: "The idea that voters could be persuaded that higher taxes were a price worth paying for an improvement in public goods was dismissed".

I think that's wrong. That is not a fair description of the Labour agenda of the last decade. Precisely this argument was made to raise £8 billion for the NHS with a rise in national insurance. That was precisely a taxation rise of choice, specifically targetted to a specific improvement in public service.

And, perhaps somewhat too tacitly for some tastes, this was more broadly actually the central argument about spending and taxation in the 2001 and 2005 election, "schools and hospitals first", "investment versus cuts" and all that.
Sunder Katwala @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Labour would do well two start with small baby steps first. 4 tenets are too many. Start with "Truth" and "Sanity".

Then Labour, like a hermit, should spend 15 years in the wilderness pondering the benefits of small government and localised decision making.
Billy Blofeld @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
Hi Alex

Its not that we are not being heard , Its because no-one wants to listen .

Why dont the leadership get it ?

ricki
ricki lake @ 46 weeks and 3 days ago
That seems to be true of Labour, and Labour List is about one of the most humourless places on the planet. I feel myself tuning out until they get a clue.
Charles Hardwidge @ 46 weeks and 2 days ago