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When it comes to tackling the BNP we have to start from where people are at, not where we want them to be

GriffinBy Margaret Hodge MP

This article is based on the text of a speech delivered to the Progress rally at the Labour Party Conference in September. It has been published in response to the ongoing controversy surrounding Nick Griffin’s appearance on Question Time this evening, and is being published simultaneously on the Progress website.

The task of taking on and defeating the BNP is one of the most challenging that we face. In my constituency in Barking, we’ve spent the last two years immersed in local activism trying to do just that.

I want to reflect on what we’ve been doing and what lessons I think can be learnt – for the campaign against the far-right and for the Labour party more widely.

The reasons for the BNP’s electoral pull are complex. Yes, it’s about changing communities; yes, it’s about the loss of traditional industrial jobs; yes, it’s about increasing migration; and yes, it’s about lack of affordable housing.

But most importantly people are voting for the far-right as a protest vote. They feel completely disconnected from and alienated by the Labour party and the mainstream political class.

For Labour, that’s in part because we didn’t focus earlier on issues like affordable housing. In part it’s because we’ve not shouted loudly enough about what we have achieved. And in part it’s also because we’ve failed to put forward a coherent narrative on migration – arguing for its benefits while saying we can cut and control it.

But it’s also about the Labour Party itself.

First, we’ve shied away from being bold and honest about our values. Under Tony Blair it almost became a badge of honour. Ideology no longer matters, people would say – it’s what works that counts. We were scared of losing the support of the centre ground that we need to win elections.

But managerial competence is not a substitute for ideological conviction. People don’t vote for processes – whether it’s localism, competition or choice. They do want to know what we stand for. And if we don’t articulate that clearly people look to others they think share their values – single issue groups or one of the smaller political parties, including the BNP.

We must have the confidence to reassert our core belief in the pursuit of equality through redistribution. And we must have the confidence to justify that belief by asserting that a more equal society is a more cohesive society, a more efficient society and a morally better society.

Second, in too much of Britain our Labour parties have lost touch with ordinary people.

This is particularly true in the traditional Labour areas, where we got used to weighing the votes in and where we thought the odd leaflet at election time, the occasional mention in the local paper or the smiling face at a polling station was enough.   

So because we aren’t engaging directly, people get fed up and feel we’re not listening to them. A focus group by the national Labour party is no substitute for direct contact with individuals in your area. We need to reconnect with local communities and start engaging them in politics.

This is particularly difficult for those of us facing the threat from the far-right. And no one should pretend there are any easy answers. But it simply doesn’t work to condemn those who vote for the BNP as fascist extremists. The party and its activists retain their hideous purpose and ideology, but those who vote for them are doing so because we’ve lost our connection to those in whose name we claim to campaign and work.

So for the last two years we’ve completely changed our approach in Barking. Everything we do has to pass the test that it helps us to reconnect to voters - whether it’s our work door-to-door, whether it’s local campaigns or whether it’s my regular coffee afternoons.

And that means starting from where people are at, not from where we would like them to be. We don’t set the agenda; our voters do.

Of course, what many people care about most are their homes and their neighbourhoods. So we listen and try and tackle their concerns about their local environment, housing conditions or anti-social behaviour. And if you start delivering, then people do start trusting you again. Then they start engaging on the other, national issues of the day, like the economy, public spending and Europe.

In Barking we’re beginning to experience the signs that we’re succeeding. At the European elections Labour’s vote went up 2% and the BNP vote was cut by 5%.

My constituents in Barking won’t understand if we continue to refuse to engage in public debate with the BNP. Ignoring them in the hope of denying them the oxygen of publicity will just convince people in my constituency that we don’t get it at all. We need to take them on directly and have the confidence that we can win the argument.

Last Friday I walked into one of my coffee afternoons and was confronted by a woman who was literally trembling with anger at me because she felt Labour had done nothing for her and we’d let all these immigrants get what should rightly have been hers. She was going to vote for the BNP. But by the end of the afternoon she’d felt we’d listened to her and she also listened to us and as I left the room, she came over to me and said "Thanks for that Margaret, I’ll be voting Labour."

It is still all to play for out there. But we have to stop blaming others, and look outwards rather than inwards. Whatever the particular local challenges we face, we just all need to get off our backsides and do our bit to reconnect directly with voters in our constituencies. In that way we at least will know we’ve done our bit to help keep Labour in power.

Margaret Hodge MP and her team are always looking for more volunteers to help them in their campaign to defeat the BNP in Barking. If you are interested please give her office a call on 020 8594 1333 or email her at hodgem@parliament.uk.

Posted on Oct 22, 2009 at 10:58am

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Hodge is still around is she, she of islington fame,the only reason she is commenting on here is to save her seat.
martin lewis @ 15 weeks and 1 day ago
Suprise, Suprise, no reply. Anyway well done labour list 'cause the BBC wouldn't even allow that section to be replicated on Have Your Say.
Jonathan Campbell @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
And overwhelming everything a broken promise to hold a referendum of the EU constitution. This government is anti-democratic and thinks it knows what is best for us.
George Woodhouse @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
If anyone bought into that, they're idiots Mike. Its got nothing to do with the gay community, it has to do with child abuse in care homes. I don't have to say they're seperate issues because its obvious to anyone with half a brain.

I understand what you mean now Mike, but I was refering to what Margaret has gone on record as saying, and her apparent ignorance to what was happening right under her nose. Care homes and abuse have played a hand in my life and her comments, which she has admitted to, are disgusting and uncalled for. For that alone she is not fit for office, an apology and a donation to kids charity isn't a get out clause. You may feel strongly over the gay rights and equality movement Mike, but I assure you, I feel equally strongly about abuse in care homes.

One thing I will say is that I'm gaining a better understanding of where gay campaigners are coming from more and more from the LL. If the gay community are having to put up with people infering that they are paedophiles I'm not surprised at some of the heated arguments we've had here about homophobia. I do understand I'm naive on the issue, I have limited contact with the gay community and gay rights isn't something I discuss with those I know who are gay, we just talk about every day stuff.
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Bill Hodge is of no interest to me - but I think you are absolutely right to say that the BNP are a sympton not a cause. In my view they have attracted nearly 1 million votes (almost as much as the Green party and almost 50% of Labours vote) in the EU elections, not because the voters are racist but because they are looking for a way to express their anger and frustration at what is being done in their name but against their will.

I firmly believe that UKIP and BNP will continue to go from strength to strength because Labour, Conservative and Liberals all have conspired to destroy our democratic rights with regard to the EU. It is our membership of the EU which has led to the situation with uncontrolled immigration.
George Woodhouse @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
There were still immigration controls, Nick. Its the unfettered term which has never been accurate
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Mike Homfary said "Unfettered immigration doesn't exist". He was, of couse, absolutely correct.

But "Never has done. " ? Not sure about that. Though certainly it's a long time since the big debate about whether holders of British Passport should have automatic rights of residence was held ... was it around the early 70's? Long before the Hong Kong issue, anyway.

We've got a long and shameful history of not living up to our obligations.
Nick Weeks @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Nuclear power is only safe until the accident happens - and what about dealing with decommissioning? What about its link to nuclear weaponry?

I do agree about coal, and think there should have been a focus on development of clean coal.

Maybe you are right and the traditional Labour agenda will win a majority. I'm really not convinced, and that's one of the reasons I support electoral reform, because it would give space to a parties which don't have to be all things to all people
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Because what was going on was major campaign to stop Islington promoting gay rights and equality. this case was used - mercilessly - by homophobes suggesting that child abuse in the borough was the outcome of those policies
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Homophobes having a go? You've lost me Mike? What has homophobia got to do with Margaret's comments in relation to Demetrious Panton? And why didn't she act when she led Islington Council? She readily admits she made the comments, she has apologised and donated £10k to a children's charity - where does homophobia come into this at all?
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Don't get me wrong Mike, its a suggestion and the boat has been well and truely missed on it. Even if there was a massive u turn in Labour policy tomorrow, it couldn't be put into actions for a good few years.

The thing is Mike, although I appreciate that nuclear power isn't the most popular, it is one of the safest. Even if you disagree with that, new efficient coal-powered generators could be the answer, and seriously, in a few years when the true scale of the energy crisis we will be facing will come to light. Given a choice between brown outs, black outs and days without power or some new power stations, which would you choose?

Clywd West is where I thought it was then. Colwyn Bay and Llandudno may not need a massive employment drive as from what I've seen its where people go to retire (could be wrong) but neighbouring Bala and Wrexham could do with a job or two.
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
"the smoking ban has been well received by many of us."

but it wasn't what you promised..

"The legislation will ensure that all restaurants will be smoke-free; all pubs and bars preparing and serving food will be smoke-free; and other pubs and bars will be free to choose whether to allow smoking or to be smoke-free. In membership clubs the members will be free to choose whether to allow smoking or to be smoke-free."
Jonathan Campbell @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Clwyd West is Colwyn Bay and Llandudno....

Frankly, if the main thing you are suggesting is becoming the nuclear power generation centre of Europe, that isn't a form of wealth generation I find acceptable. As FoE used to say on a T-shirt I once owned - pigs can fly, the earth is flat, and nuclear power is safe...if Labour proposed this, then I can almost guarantee the Guardian vote, not large in number, but vote religiously, would vote Green. Including me.

And here lies the problem. There really is no majority to win. Just different factions who Labour, or any other party, have to try and keep sweet. Even when their priorities and interests are utterly different and sometimes contradictory.

Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I'm not suggesting wealth redistribution, in fact quite the opposite. I'm suggesting wealth creation to remove the dependancy on the state for things like tax credits, the creation of jobs throughout the UK not just here in the North that will give people the opportunities they need to earn what they need to earn to live a decent life.

Most people may well be in work Mike, but most people are not paid a decent wage otherwise tax credits would not be used. There are the 2.5 million unemployed that need to be considered, what jobs are there for them at the moment? And as far as decent housing goes, it depends what your definition of decent is?

I've lived on the outskirts of Cambridge and I don't see these ideas being out of place. St Neots for instance, the economy there could do with a boost, which is exactly what job creation on a huge scale, but profitable job creation rather than non-jobs such as smoking cessation officers, would make a big difference.

And Clwyd West? Thats near Wrexham isn't it? And unless my geography is as bad as my spelling, round the corner from Bala? They are desperate for job creation there, they need new life in Bala even if its just to stop the English buying up their properties to use as holiday homes!
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I'm entirely opposed to nuclear power for any number of reasons ( the usual ones - nothing out of the ordinary!) and what about the effect on climate change of coal based power?

This does indicate that there has been a great lack of will in terms of developing clean coal. There are, however, practical issues about the re-opening of pits, given that many are no longer accessible after their closure.

But I can't support nuclear power.
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Unfettered immigration doesn't exist. Never has done.
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I have googled it. As I said, Hodge has her enemies, and there are plenty of homophobes about only too keen to have a go. I suspect their agenda perhaps more than you do. I don't believe everything I read. There are people around who wanted to destroy the gay equality agenda and used this case - where mistakes certainly were made - as a way of trying to do it.

I think you have probably pinpointed the problem - that social progressives and economic progressives don;t always share the same priorities. Mind you, NL have managed to disappoint both sets of people - whilst I am in favour of the HRA and gay rights , in other areas NL have hardly been progressive and often bow to the populist horde.
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
But there simply isn't an agenda which appeals to a majority any more, Bill. The population has become much more fragmented, and its much more a case of putting together an agenda made up of the interests of different minority interests

I don't accept the premise that there is a 'majority'. You could argue that the English are a majority - but a Tory-dominated English parliament would be about as popular as a bucket of cold sick in the north.

So I'd argue that there is no one issue relevant to a majority where people would agree with a solution. Most people are in work. Most people are decently housed. And this is the problem and why New Labour were able to create a majority - because they brought together the majorities and added to them some of the aspirational. But the cost of doing that was a recognition that anything significant which would redistribute wealth would see that group running for the hills

I think Labour must wake up to the fact that radical policies overall won't happen whilst a government has to gain a majority. Your ideas would be popular here, that I am sure of, but would they gain back Cambridge or Clwyd West? Doubtful.
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
As I said Mike, I don't believe we'll ever return to mass-employment via manufacturing either Mike

Power station wise as far as I know there are two main alternatives. Nuclear or the efficient coal-powered stations. Neither of which are hugely popular if they happen to be built on your doorstep, but necessary because there is no other method that is as reliable and cost effective as either of these that I know of.

There is nothing wrong with having alternative generators such as offshore wind farms, but these alone will not meet the power needs of modern Britain and failing to build a decent number of new power stations before the existing stations are decommissioned would send us back to the dark ages, literally.

Our entire way of life is now based around electricity. Our food is delivered 'just in time' to supermarkets, it is then bought and transfered to our fridges, cooked by electricity, we see the cooker because our lights are electric, we work in offices and factories, all relying on electricity, so unless we have a drastic change in just about everything these things need to be built and maintained. Whats wrong with having a prodominently British workforce employed to do this and any surplus be put forward for export? Its a type of manufacturing I suppose, just not the same as we have had in the past.
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Actually Mike, I do mind you saying so, but thats pretty much irrelevant.

If you'd care to google Margaret Hodge and Demetrious Panton, you can draw your own conclusions to what you think of Margaret Hodge. In my opinion she isn't fit to hold office.

I've explained elsewhere where I'm coming from Mike and if I'm to be hung, drawn and quartered for holding the view of a decent days work for a decent days pay, sobeit. You say it as if I should feel guilty or feel bad that I want a Britain that is wealth generating, where people have an opportunity to have a decent life through earning a decent living. Well I don't Mike, and if the modern Labour Party isn't about helping the working people of this country and giving them a fair crack at a better life, then that would explain why I will probably abstain at the next election.

Incidently I don't swallow anyone's agenda or opinion. I view myself as reasonably intelligent enough to hold my own opinion based on the facts I see before me. If they happen to clash with those of a questionable agenda, does that mean I must be tarred with the same brush? Am I to be burned at the stake because I don't think politicians are really understanding that the BNP are a symptom not the cause?
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Hold on a second Mike, where did I say I didn't believe in devolution? I don't remember saying that and reviewing what I actually said and I quote This is a plus point to the Scottish and Welsh presumably, but not the English where the majority live. So where precisely does it say I don't believe in it or I'm against it? All I'm saying is the majority live in England, it isn't a burning issue to the majority, but its good for the Scottish and the Welsh. I'd say that was fair comment.

Who said I was against the HRA? I didn't, I infered that it is abused by criminals because it hasn't been thought out properly.

I've said before that I was a huge supporter of the minimum wage and it was one of New Labour's best policies, but its out of date Mike. Yes, its there and I wouldn't take it for granted, but it needs to be updated. Or can you live on the same amount of money you could a decade ago Mike?

Gay equality legislation, fair play, but again the majority are not gay Mike. Its important to those who are gay, but it really doesn't make a huge difference to my life. Should I be ashamed of that? That legislation designed to give the gay community a level playing field doesn't play apart in my life? Does it mean I don't support it? Does it mean I don't want it? No, it just means it isn't relevant to me and probably isn't relevant to the hetrosexual within the population of Britain and why should it be?

You're right though, I have shown my true colours. My opinions do not change from day to day as the politicians do to seek favour. I've said nothing above any different from the hundreds of comments I've made here on the LL, but you have chosen to read more into them by infering that I am against this or against that. I'm not, but it is your right to percieve me as you wish.

Yes, I would much rather have a bit of traditional Labour back in addition to some of more modern legislation. I would love a Party that fought for the rights of the majority, fought hard for the rights of the workers, backed up the rhetoric with real actions and made this country a wealth generating one again. If you disagree with me Mike, thats okay, its all part of debating and it would be boring if we all agreed, but please don't take what I've said out of context and insinuate that I've said something I haven't.

Could I ask Mike, are you a regular pub goer? Do you frequent a number of pubs during the week or over the weekend? Genuine question, not being funny or trying to be a smart aleck.
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
At first I thought we are a democracy with wonderful rights such as freedom of speech and it is imperative that we must uphold those at any costs.

Then somebody said: “why are we giving a platform to racists” and the penny dropped. The BNP are a vile group of people that must not get this publicity and the BBC are so wrong that its an embarrassment to its charter. Action must be taken.

My sincere thanks and support to those who are outside Television Centre to protest.
john smith WB @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I would agree with you as to some of those ideas, but it still doesn't suggest that the UK will ever become a mass manufacturing base again

What sort of power stations are you referring to?
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Well, Bill, you really have shown your true colours. The minimum wage was never enough to live on as a family, but would you rather it wasn't there? I You are against the human Rights Act and you don't believe in devolution. The problem is that there is never enough money for the NHS: it is something of a bottomless pit...

You seem to think that only the 'workerist' issues are important. I can;t help thinking that your ideal world would be something of a traditionalist paradise - even socially conservative?

If Labour go down that path I'd never vote for them, and this is the problem - some on the left are predominantly social progressives, others economic progressives

Which is why we need electoral reform and more of a choice of party.

Oh, and for MY life, all the gay equality legislation has been hugely important - and all carried out under
New Labour. The big issues faced by previous governments are simply not solveable in the same way in today's much more complex society. For example, I'm in favour of job creation, but also aware of the limitations of being able to achieve it via legislation. Energy security is also not something which a national government can provide - it requires supranational co-operation which is why European co-operation is so vital.

I rather wish it was easier to achieve real change and I certainly think that NL could have done more - but I'm under no illusion about the limitations of any national government to do what you would like them to. So it may be sensible to achieve what one can - whether that be restricting smoking in public places ( an absolute relief ) or treating gay and lesbian people as equal citizens, or ensuring that British defendants receive the same protection as others across Europe. They're not irrelevant to my life, Bill
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
What exactly have you read, Bill?

If you don;t mind me saying so, you do appear to be of the 'workerist' traditional left variety without a great deal of concern for some other issues - there were a lot of people who were out to destroy a lot of London politicians who supported progressive causes at the time. Mistakes were certainly made, but you appear to swallow all the points made by those with very questionable agendas.
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I've just googled this and read up on it. Why is this woman still in politics? She can't very well deny the way she behaved as she donated £10k to a children's charity because of it and paid Demetrious Panton's legal fees, so how the devil has she been elected as an MP after that?
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I think she's got it!
Mike Stallard @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
After the way Margaret Hodge smeared a victim of sexual abuse, I am surprised that anyone takes anything that she says seriously. She is simply unfit to be an MP, as I suspect she will learn at the next General Election.

Paul 'hit or miss as to whether my comments will make it through' Pinfield @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Thats good news for West Cumbria, excellent. Any idea how many jobs will be created there once the existing power station is decommissioned? And when are they going to be built and by who?

Considering the number of stations due to be decommissioned though, there should be a whole lot more than three, although I appreciate these are in one are. What about elsewhere?
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Proposals to build 1 if not 3 nuclear power stations in Copeland will do a pretty good job of transforming West Cumbria's economy - as well as reversing longterm population decline.
Rachel Stalker @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Well thats okay then. Lets go over those shall we?

Minimum wage - a decade old policy that is now outdated by the needs of the nation. Please point me to a family that can survive on minimum wage without tax credits assisting them?

Human Rights Acts - would that be the same one used by criminals to evade justice, keep their anonymity and the same legislation that is abused frequently in a number of sectors.

Devolution in Scotland and Wales - This is a plus point to the Scottish and Welsh presumably, but not the English where the majority live.

Huge progress in Northern Ireland - okay, I'll give you that one, at least until the group calling themselves the Real IRA are campaigning again.

Huge increases in resources for the National Health Service - new buildings, new equipment but for all the money spent the hospital I attended recently with my wife was still understaffed.

Access to moorlands - well done, have a biscuit.

Free bus passes for senior citizens - way to go! So our pensioners can now roam free.

Not a single thing you've asked for credit for addresses any of the major issues faced by the electorate that have remained unresolved for the past 30 years. At least Attlee addressed things with a practical hand and actually did something about jobs and homes. What have New Labour done specifically over this?

As far as finding things I dislike, I'm not overly fond of grainy mustard, but that still doesn't explain why New Labour have no real policies for answering the problems faced by the nation. You can name all the side issues, I mean access to moorlands? but can you name anything major?

And that smoking ban you're so fond of has all but destroyed the public houses of this country and for what? Has smoking decreased? Nope. Have you achieved trust by New Labour lying to the electorate about a partial ban? Nope. New Labour have attacked the minority ironically because of the views and opinions of the minority and continue to attack. Compared to mass unemployment, the smoking argument is irrelevant. Compared to the lack of energy security we have for the future, the smoking argument is irrelevant.

So please, name me a life changing achievement that New Labour has achieved? Something comparible to the achievements Labour have made in the past including the votes for women, the nationalising of industries to create jobs and the thousands of homes built. Just one from the past 12 years that is still relevant today?
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
To be fair, not everything they did was bad, and indeed the smoking ban has been well received by many of us.

All of us could think of things we have disliked.

But they can claim:
Minimum wage
Human Rights Act
Devolution to Scotland and Wales
Huge progress in Northern Ireland
Huge increases in resources for the National Health Service
Access to moorlands
Free bus passes for senior citizens

Let's give credit where credit is due and not just criticise.

Thanks
Vicky Seddon @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I gather there's an LL super-injunction in force banning discussion of or allusion to Ms. Hodge's earlier political career in Islington. The samizdat will not be silenced!
Bill Lockhart @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I agree with many of the points made in this article. I feel we all need to acknowledge our share of the responsibility for the rise of parties such as the BNP and start getting involved in this debate in a much more proactive manner [a good post about this can be found in the link below]. I honestly believe that for as long as we keep shouting racist without actually taking the time to discuss these issues more openly [and without pandering to either right or far-right ‘sensibilities’], the BNP and their ilk will continue to rise without a shadow of a doubt.

http://ponderboxes.blogspot.com/2009/10/lament-of-woolly-liberal.html
Euclides Montes @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
gordon brown only has one eye. nick griffin only has one eye. says a lot for the poor political vision of both parties.
Jules Wright @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
"Last Friday I walked into one of my coffee afternoons and was confronted by a woman who was literally trembling with anger at me because she felt Labour had done nothing for her and we’d let all these immigrants get what should rightly have been hers. She was going to vote for the BNP. But by the end of the afternoon she’d felt we’d listened to her and she also listened to us and as I left the room, she came over to me and said "Thanks for that Margaret, I’ll be voting Labour."

You are either

1) A liar and this didn't happen.

2) Improving the facts in that it did happen but not as you tell it, there is embellishment.

3) Sitting on the solution of how to defeat the BNP as demonstrated in this story and refusing to tell us what it is.


"...because she felt Labour had done nothing for her and we’d let all these immigrants get what should rightly have been hers..."

So she will vote Labour in the future to address the unsolved problems caused by Labour in the past and present?

Do you think your voting record will encourage people to vote for Labour and against the BNP?

Voted for introducing a smoking ban.
Voted for introducing ID cards.
Voted for introducing student top-up fees.
Voted for Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
Voted for the Iraq war.


Voted against investigating the Iraq war.
Konrad Baxter @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Last comment Ralph? Are you off somewhere?
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
My last LL comment.

Margaret, you will not only have my vote I will do everything in my power to help address the issues concerning those people who have felt disinfranchised, neglected and humiliated in Barking and Dagenham.

The hard work you and the teams are doing is clearly paying dividends and the work with Residents and Tenants Associations is drawing in the community closer to democracy and letting people have a say in a community where their say has been ignored for far too long.

My landlord is voting for you too, because you bothered to knock on the doors on the street and meet the people face to face.

Best of luck!
Ralph Baldwin @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
One of the main reasons Nu Labour is held in such contempt is that people like Margaret Hodge can end up as Ministers of the Crown. A carpetbagging career politician who smilingly walked away from the Islington care home abuse scandal- though not before slandering the victims of her own conscious neglect. After a bit more simpering and a change of politics to match the way the wind was blowing, promotion inevitably followed. Was making her "children's minister" Blair's idea of irony?
I wouldn't advise Mrs. Hodge to try "reconnecting with the voters" anywhere near Islington for a long, long time.
Bill Lockhart @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
While it is undeniable that the Labour Party have ignored or at least taken the traditional white working class for granted, it is really a symptom of the FPTP electoral system.

In 1992 it became obvious that to win the next election, the Labour party would need to win in the West Midlands and the South East, New Labour was the culmination of that thinking.

Labour could concentrate on it’s core vote, but it would leave them in perpetual opposition, unless they could find a formula which appealed to both sets of voters at the same time.

What is not mentioned is why the Tories have made no effort what so ever to appeal to these voters? Again probably down to the FPTP system. For many years I lived in Bermondsey where Simon Hughes provided a conduit for the anti-Labour vote, so it isn’t inevitable that disillusioned Labour Supporters will turn to the BNP, it’s more that they see no alternative. Also many people who vote BNP know it is a protest vote, as there is no chance of them actually winning.

The real solution would be a fairer voting system where everyone has an equal vote. Currently unless you live in a marginal your vote is worthless.
Mark Reilly @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
I don't believe we'll ever return to mass-employment via manufacturing either Mike, but there are missed opportunities that could have been taken, perhaps not by the Conservative government, but certainly by a Labour government.

I know I keep returning to it, but power generation in this country could be a very British affair. Thousands could be employed building new, efficient power stations and the transportation networks needed to supply them. Thousands more could be employed to operate these power stations once they are built. Its no coincidence that mining communities settled close to mines, so the same could happen with power stations. New towns and villages located close to the power stations or the supply depots for power stations, providing new homes but with viable and sustainable jobs.

It would create an export, power. Its easily transported and could be sold for a good price across Europe and we would have real wealth generated for once rather than moving around monopoly money as we have been doing.

The railways desperately need updating in this country, again, thousands of jobs there. And if we must have wind farms, offshore farms could be built employing a British workforce to build the wind turbines, install them and maintain them.

It isn't the vast manufacturing industry we once had, but its a start to generating wealth and giving people a half chance. And what is the alternative? Politicians kidding us that the end of the BNP is an indicator that they are listening to what the people want? The politicians don't have the first clue what the electorate really wants or they would never have introduced the dignity-sapping tax credit system and they would realise that immigration is only a problem when the new arrivals don't come to work.

Sharing out the work can only go so far without new jobs being created, but its that very job creation which seems to be the stumbling block. We have no car industry to speak of, we don't own anything worthwhile when it comes to national assets thanks to the big sell off in the 80s and we don't generate wealth. There is the illusion that we have a car industry because other countries choose to build some of their cars here, or rather assemble them. There is the illusion that we have assets, but can you really call the Royal Mail or the Royal Mint assets? And there is an illusion, possibly the biggest of all, that a service-based economy can generate wealth.

From being at the forefront of the technology world and home computer market in the 80s I don't think we're even placed now in the world. The Americans have dominated the software market whilst the East has dominated the hardware market. What exactly does Britain contribute? Where have the Clive Sinclairs gone?

If the problems of the country could be solved by a late afternoon coffee and a chat, I'd gladly buy a jar of Nescafe and get out there campaigning, but its really not that simple. The government, whoever is in office, needs to address the real issue that has held this country in economic limbo for 3 generations, stop encouraging house prices to rise and start concentrating on giving people viable and sustainable job opportunities.
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
"The reasons for the BNP’s electoral pull are complex. Yes, it’s about changing communities; yes, it’s about the loss of traditional industrial jobs; yes, it’s about increasing migration; and yes, it’s about lack of affordable housing."

Good, you seem to have a part understanding of what the issues are. Unfortunately that's where it seems to come to a stop. You want to talk about it, but you don't do anything about it, unfettered immigration is a problem.

Now here's why the BNP are doing well and will continue to do so, they are saying, we understand the problems (like you do) and we are going to tackle the cause of them by restricting them.

Problem + talking or problem + solution, which would you choose?
Road Hog @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Thatcher did to manufacturing what Blair and Brown did to agriculture...

Not as many people involved but just as daaging to the national fabric.
Alan M @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
In theory I am sympathetic to what you say. But the fact is that there will never be the return of mass-employment via manufacturing, simply because processes don't require the number of staff any longer. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be a priority - it should - but I do not think that there will ever be the number of jobs which used to exist in those areas again.

The problem is that there are a large number of people who were made redundant following Thatcher's deliberate downgrading of manufacturing and whilst I agree that NL haven't done anywhere near enough, I'm not convinced that anywhere near as much could have been done as you imagine.

For the future, we do need to look towards ensuring that we are competing in terms of specialisms and niche production. I think the EU needs to - and will - move towards a more protectionist position on an Europe-wide level. If only Fortress Europe really did exist! And we need to be much more flexible with regard to sharing out the work which exists making part time hours much easier. At the moment there are people working very long hours with others not working at all, which doesn't make sense
Mike Homfray @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago
Last Friday I walked into one of my coffee afternoons and was confronted by a woman who was literally trembling with anger at me because she felt Labour had done nothing for her and we’d let all these immigrants get what should rightly have been hers. She was going to vote for the BNP. But by the end of the afternoon she’d felt we’d listened to her and she also listened to us and as I left the room, she came over to me and said "Thanks for that Margaret, I’ll be voting Labour."

Blimey, if its that easy this should sorted in no time. All we need to do is train everyone to talk to people like you have with that lady and get them out to everyone who votes BNP, job done. They'll all vote Labour!

I suspect though that wouldn't really work. You say In part it’s because we’ve not shouted loudly enough about what we have achieved whilst the truth of the matter is that neither the Conservative or the Labour Party actually bothered to listen in the past. The Conservatives are guilty for closing down huge industrial sectors without any plan to what the thousands employed there were supposed to do for work and Labour is guilty for being in government for 12 years and do absolutely nothing about it.

Tell me Margaret, what precisely has Labour done for those who were disenfranchised in the 1980s? Would you like to list them? You can't include tax credits though because essentially you're asking what was once a proud workforce to pay tax, then beg for some it back from the government and by not doing anything about energy prices, encouraging a housing boom and thinking the minimum wage was job done, that workforce has little choice but to beg.

So what else? Surestart? Has that created a couple of million jobs? Equality laws? Still isn't job creation. So what precisely has this Labour government done to encourage these people, and what did you say to that 'fuming' woman that made her think all of a sudden that Labour were actually listening to her?

You can defeat the BNP, it shouldn't be too hard because their arguments are sieve-like, but defeating the BNP isn't tackling the core issues. You can even celebrate besting Nick Griffin tonight on Question Time, which I dearly hope happens, but it doesn't resolve nearly 3 decades of political neglect. Reconnecting with voters isn't as easy as an afternoon coffee and a chat, that doesn't put food on the table, pay the ever increasing council tax bill or make sure people can afford to put their heating systems on this winter.

Until you understand that the BNP is a symptom, not the cause and until you and your pals at Westminster tackle that cause, defeating the BNP is more about fighting racist political parties than it is about reconnecting with the certain quarters of the electorate. Your end goal is getting rid of the BNP, but the end goal should be the same as Clement Attlee's was - Jobs, Homes and Food - with a little extra emphasis on the Jobs.
Bill Dewison @ 15 weeks and 4 days ago