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A citizens tax on inheritance would spread wealth, freedom and opportunity

Paineby Stuart White

The debate over inequality is often framed in terms of the distribution of income. But it is also important to focus on wealth: the stocks of assets which individuals have as distinct from the flows of income they receive.

Wealth matters because of its links to two core social democratic values: freedom and equality of opportunity. Wealth is a platform for personal independence. One can more readily walk away from abusive employers or spouses because one has some resources of one’s own to draw on. Wealth underpins a creative approach to life.

Someone with wealth can realistically step back and ask themselves what they want to do with their lives. Connected with this, wealth confers opportunity: to get an education or training, to set up a business, to move, to travel, to experiment, to recharge one’s batteries. A degree of wealth equality is therefore indispensable to equality of opportunity. It is particularly important to hold wealth when young when so many important life-shaping decisions are made.

Given that wealth matters, the statistics on wealth distribution are alarming. As of 2003, the wealthiest 1% owned 21% of marketable wealth in the UK, while the least wealthy 50% owned 7%. A large proportion of UK families - 35% in 2008 – lack any savings at all. And wealth inequality has been rising steadily. Using the Gini coefficient measure of inequality (where a figure closer to 1 indicates more inequality), the relevant figures are 0.644 for the period 1982-86; 0.664 for the period 1992-96; and 0.690 for 2002-3.

So what do we do?

One idea which has surfaced again and again since the rise of industrial capitalism is that of a citizen inheritance: the proposal to endow all citizens with a decent grant of capital on maturity as of right. The idea can be traced back at least as far as Tom Paine.

‘When a young couple begin the world,’ he wrote in 1797, ‘the difference is exceedingly great whether they begin the world with nothing or with fifteen pounds apiece. With this aid they could buy a cow, and implements to cultivate a few acres of land; and instead of becoming burdens upon society...would be put in the way of becoming useful and profitable citizens.’

Labour has taken a first crucial step towards a citizen inheritance by introducing the Child Trust Fund (CTF). The state gives all citizens a small sum at birth (and a further sum in childhood) which is invested and accumulates as they grow up. Families can contribute into the fund up to an annual ceiling. Labour has also introduced the Saving Gateway. This provides matching subsidies to poor households who save into special accounts (the government will put 50p into the account for every £1 saved by the household).

First and foremost, it is important to defend these policies. The Liberal Democrats, oblivious to their own philosophical tradition of seeking ‘ownership for all’, continue to disparage the CTF, and it is unclear how deep is the Conservative commitment to these policies.

However, if we wish to rise to the challenge posed by high and rising wealth inequality, then these policies need to be developed, not just defended. The government’s decision to allow families to contribute to CTFs means that the amount children receive on maturity will depend on household resources, compromising the policy’s impact on equality of opportunity.

To correct this, government must help low-income households save more into their children’s accounts. Extending the Saving Gateway approach, the state should match the savings of low-income households into their children’s accounts, and at a generous rate.

In a period of fiscal austerity, however, how are to get the resources for this? Again, Paine might offer some answers. Paine saw the universal capital grant as one side of a new system of social inheritance: wealth at death would be taxed and the funds used to finance the system of capital grants for all.

One way to think about the principle at stake here is to do a thought experiment. Imagine two extreme systems of inheritance. Under the first system, which we may call the fully private system, all wealth passes to individuals through family and friends. Under the second, which we may call the fully collective system, all wealth transfers are taken by the state and distributed back to citizens on a completely equal basis.

Now, what do we think of the two systems? So far as I can see, both systems have clear advantages and disadvantages. On the one hand, the fully private system respects the ‘family values’ that many people see as having a legitimate and important place in the way society organises inheritance. But under this system inheritances are likely to be very unequal; unpredictable as to timing; and, potentially, individuals may find themselves in the grip of relatives who deploy prospective inheritances manipulatively to control their behaviour.

The fully collective system is able to do away with all of these problems. The taxed wealth transfers can be distributed on a fully egalitarian basis; they can be distributed at a predictable point (or points) in the life-cycle so people know when they will be getting an inheritance and can plan around this; and, so far as inheritances are concerned, people would be outside of the grip of potentially manipulative relatives. On the other hand, the fully collective system obviously gives no place at all to the ‘family values’ which many people see as legitimate and important in this context.

Intuitively, then, a morally attractive system almost certainly lies somewhere between the two extremes. But where exactly?

As things stand, we are in the UK very close to the pure familial model of inheritance: only something like 7% of wealth transferred at death is taxed, meaning that some 93% goes via the familial route (and this is to ignore wealth transfers prior to death which do not count as part of a taxable estate). I cannot see why it would be wrong in principle to get that 7% figure up to, say, 15% or even 25%.

That still leaves the vast bulk of wealth being transferred via the family, so that those who are concerned to ensure that our inheritance system respects ‘family values’ would surely have little to complain about. On the other hand, the extra revenue we get from doubling or tripling inheritance tax would help enormously to fund other policies, like the Saving Gateway and a matched savings scheme in the Child Trust Fund.

Of course, it is an understatement to say that inheritance tax is unpopular. But it is important for social democrats to understand what their own principles imply. Our principles imply much heavier taxation of inherited wealth – which we can then link to initiatives to widen asset ownership.

In view of this, we should not simply capitulate to public opinion, but make the case for what we think is right. One thing is for sure: until we start doing so, wealth inequality is going to go on rising and our warm words about ‘opportunity’ and ‘fairness’ will become even more divorced from the reality of British society than they are now.

Stuart White also has an ideological map of modern progressivism in this week's New Statesman which is well worth a read.

Posted on Sep 04, 2009 at 09:05am


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Bill (Dewison): my comments about mean-spiritedness etc. apply to the overall tenor of the comment thread (up to the point when I made my first comment). As such, I think they are fair enough as a description of the qualities in evidence in the comment thread as a whole. But of course I don't think that someone who opposes inheritance tax is necessarily mean-spirited etc. And I apologise if you felt, reasonably, caught up in the net of this comment.

Turning to your reply to my four points:

(1) Democracy: as Hugh Pettit indicates, you missed the point in my reply. Isn't democracy about debate and efforts to persuade? I am saying that the left should try to persuade the public that inheritance tax is just. What's undemocratic about that? If democracy means that we all have to agree with what the majority wants at a point in time, how could there ever be any disagreement in a democracy at all?

(2) Autobiography: why do you assume I would resent or oppose paying tax on an inheritance I received? When I imagine a just inheritance tax, I tend to think in terms of a system that would in fact allow people to receive a certain amount - say £50,000? - in inheritance without paying tax, with tax kicking in at progressively higher rates as/when they receive more. So I wouldn't envisage taxing something like that first £10,000 I received. But as and when the amount I inherit starts to climb up, then of course In expect to pay tax on it. I have no problem with that.

(3) Incentives. Do I think incentives only matter for the poor? Well, no: the first example I gave of how a fully private inheritance system can have bad incentive effects was not an example about the poor. That said, I do think there is one good ethical reason to worry more about disincentives at the bottom of the income and wealth distribution - for reasons of justice, it matters more that we help people to escape poverty than that we help them to make themselves extremely affluent rather than just affluent.

On the general incentives objection to inheritance tax: I do not say that it is 'illogical' to argue that the tax can have disincentive effects of the claimed kind. Of course this is logically possible. What I do say is that there is insufficient reason in economic theory or in the factual research to show that the logically possible disincentive effect actually applies. The assertion that the tax will have this effect is just that: an assertion unsupported by any compelling theoretical argument or evidence.

(4) Property rights: clearly, you think inheritance tax is unjust. But I am not sure you have given any good reason for this viewpoint. You say that we 'already' pay various taxes, but you don't explain why that fact is in anyway germane to the issue.

Do you think it wrong in principle to have multiple kinds of tax? If so, why? And, if so, why is the right thing to scrap inheritance tax rather than any one of a number of other taxes?

Do you think the existing volume of tax is just (or beyond what is just), so that it would be (even more) unjust to add to this with another/higher tax? If so, what are your reasons for thinking the existing volume of tax is adequate for justice?

Until you start to flesh out your osition by responding to these sorts of questions, you haven't presented an argument against inheritance tax: you've just expressed a feeling. You're entitled to your feelings, of course. But can we have some reasons to back them up?



Okay, so let me see if I understand you correctly Stuart, if someone disagrees with you on this subject they are automatically mean-spirited, devoid of logic and of a Conservative mind? That is very fair minded of you, but you're wrong.

As to your 4 point response:

1) Democracy. You made a statement that is wholly undemocratic and you can't argue back about a Conservative being wrong, so making you automatically right. Being undemocratic is no acceptable.

(2) Autobiography. You recieved £10k at an early age in inheritance. I know of many poor and disadvantaged who deserve a share of that money so presumably you won't object to handing over a largish portion of it, say 25% for redistribution?

(3) Incentives. So to your mind the only people who deserve incentives are the poor? Do you see the logical argument (and it is logical) that if you punitively tax those who create, invest and keep money in the country that you will alienate them completely? Do you believe it is right to allow those who are living to evade tax whilst you concentrate on death taxes?

(4) Property rights. Money earned, whether by the parents or the child is already taxed heavily in this country throughout that persons life. Everything is taxed whether it be a pint of milk or the right to use a motor vehicle on a public highway. It is my belief that inheritance tax is wrong, feel free to disagree, but please don't infer I am of a Conservative or Libertarian mind, that I am illogical or that I am mean-spirited because you do not understand my point of view. I have no vested interest as I no longer have property in my possession and I have no parents to leave me anything, I simply believe taxing the dead is not the right thing to do.

Do you want to address the statement "In view of this, we should not simply capitulate to public opinion, but make the case for what we think is right." or are you happy for readers to view you as undemocratic? If you meant something different then explain what you meant, but throwing around Hannan's views doesn't excuse how your view is percieved does it?
Stuart White @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
I am not particularly impressed with any system that means the State has a vested interest in my death
Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
is anyone out to get you oh.


do you think the life support system of the wealthy are switched off before the poor?
ash cash @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Ermm.....

"In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away. "
Old Holborn @ 47 weeks ago
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. In my experience, there's no topic quite like inheritance tax to bring out mean-spiritedness, personal abuse and a general evasion of logical and informed argument on the part of people on the right.

Nevertheless, here goes:

(1) Democracy. My claim is that social democrats should make the case for inheritance tax because it fits with their principles. Making the case for what you believe in is not undemocratic but essential to democracy. Do those of you on the right think that Dan Hannan should stop making his case against the NHS because it is unpopular?

(2) Autobiography. I received a nice little inheritance of some £10,000 when I was 19. It provided me with a platform to help me in my graduate studies in my 20s. I am very grateful for it. I just wish everyone at that age had the same opportunity as I did.

There's a wider point here. My support for universal capital grants, based on taxing inherited wealth, is not a reflection of envy. It is an expression of solidarity, born of looking at the social world from the standpoint of the less fortunate. It is a standard trope of right-wing rhetoric to confuse solidarity with envy.

(3) Incentives. I suspect that if we implemented what I called the full collective system of inheritance - 100% tax on all wealth transfers followed by equal division of the proceeds as uniform grant - this would have disincentive effects. However, I am not proposing anything like a tax bill on inheritance of 100% - I am proposing a total take of some 15-25%. We simply don't know what the incentive effects of this would be. Economic theory doesn't provide a clear behavioural prediction (because so-called 'substitution' and 'income' effects move in opposite directions). And the empirical research on the incentive effects of wealth transfer taxes isn't conclusive either.

Note also that, intuitively, the pure familial model of inheritance has potentially bad incentive effects (which would be corrected under the system I propose). For example, some people may have less incentive to work and save because they know they will get an inheritance. Some people may have less incentive to work or study because a lack of capital in early adulthood gives them less hope of improving their condition.

(4) Property rights. Most of the commentators seem to assume, without any argument, that the money landing in a person's pockets in a free market system is 'their' money, to which they are entitled. But the free market is itself a set of state-imposed rules which regulate how access to resources is distributed. As such, one needs to justify why the state should be imposing these rules and not others.

This brings us to the question of social justice. State-imposed rules, regulating access to resources, have to be justified by how well they promote social justice. For the reasons to do with freedom and equal opportunity set out in the post, I think free market rules are obviously unjust. A just set of rules must complement the market with appropriate taxes to achieve what is just.

Now, because these taxes are necessary to bring about a just distribution, it is quite wrong to see them as invading what people are entitled to. People are entitled only to what justice allows them to have. Just taxes help to enforce real, just entitlement against the claims of bogus, market-based entitlement.

Of course, these comments on property rights are brief and I doubt very much they will, as they stand, persuade the hard-core libertarians out there. But what they do show is that the libertarian talk about 'entitlement', 'my money', etc. rests on quite specific philosophical assumptions that are, to say the least, highly controversial and contestable. What libertarians take to be self-evident, just isn't.
Stuart White @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Okay, so let me see if I understand you correctly Stuart, if someone disagrees with you on this subject they are automatically mean-spirited, devoid of logic and of a Conservative mind? That is very fair minded of you, but you're wrong.

As to your 4 point response:

1) Democracy. You made a statement that is wholly undemocratic and you can't argue back about a Conservative being wrong, so making you automatically right. Being undemocratic is no acceptable.

(2) Autobiography. You recieved £10k at an early age in inheritance. I know of many poor and disadvantaged who deserve a share of that money so presumably you won't object to handing over a largish portion of it, say 25% for redistribution?

(3) Incentives. So to your mind the only people who deserve incentives are the poor? Do you see the logical argument (and it is logical) that if you punitively tax those who create, invest and keep money in the country that you will alienate them completely? Do you believe it is right to allow those who are living to evade tax whilst you concentrate on death taxes?

(4) Property rights. Money earned, whether by the parents or the child is already taxed heavily in this country throughout that persons life. Everything is taxed whether it be a pint of milk or the right to use a motor vehicle on a public highway. It is my belief that inheritance tax is wrong, feel free to disagree, but please don't infer I am of a Conservative or Libertarian mind, that I am illogical or that I am mean-spirited because you do not understand my point of view. I have no vested interest as I no longer have property in my possession and I have no parents to leave me anything, I simply believe taxing the dead is not the right thing to do.

Do you want to address the statement "In view of this, we should not simply capitulate to public opinion, but make the case for what we think is right." or are you happy for readers to view you as undemocratic? If you meant something different then explain what you meant, but throwing around Hannan's views doesn't excuse how your view is percieved does it?
Bill Dewison @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
To be fair, I think it's pretty clear that he's just saying the Labour party should be prepared to argue for higher inheritance tax rates despite the fact it's unpopular with the electorate. I don't see anything undemocratic about that.
Hugh Pettit @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Is that what Stuart is saying though, or is he saying what we've heard far too often in recent years (especially considering we have a Labour government) that "we should not simply capitulate to public opinion"?

Shouldn't there be a debate for instance and perhaps a vote as usually happens in a democracy, or should the law be changed at any given point without consultation?

I am being fair though Hugh, despite what it may look like. Given my strength of feeling on the issue of taxing the dead, I feel I'm being really rather reserved with my response, especially considering Stuart saw fit to label me illogical, mean-spirited and he used the C word - Conservative!
Bill Dewison @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Isn't it funny that they'll listen when it suits their viewpoint? I thought Harman loved the court of public opinion?

So bankers - okay with public opinion.
Taxing dead people - against public opinion.
G BN @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
I tried hard to find something I disagreed with in your post but I couldn't find a single thing.
Guy M @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Me neither, tho if I were to quibble - can Bill explain what the tax on milk is? Food's VAT exempt isnt it?
B Bendle @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Food items may be exempt, but the delivery system, the bottle or container, the retailer who sells it, it is all taxed at some point down the line. Perhaps not the best example, but you know what I mean.
Bill Dewison @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Sure, and actually given your explanation it makes the point very well.
B Bendle @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
I can't believe the statement "In view of this, we should not simply capitulate to public opinion, but make the case for what we think is right." So if the majority thought this was a poor idea, you'd like to bypass democracy for what you percieve as right? I am still on a Labour minded website aren't I?

Ignore the non-doms who currently get away with millions in tax while they are living by paying the Revenue a measley £30k. Don't worry that the promise over tax havens will be quietly forgotten and don't tackle the now millionarre MPs who dodge every tax going. Better to concentrate on the dead, they argue less.

CTF? Thats the first crucial step? So the government gives a newborn child £250, less than a year later the amount has reduced to £159. Did no one tell you that the money can go down as well as up?

"our warm words about ‘opportunity’ and ‘fairness’ will become even more divorced from the reality of British society than they are now."

The horse has already bolted, the warm words are already divorced from reality as they are used to describe things that are not fair and do not offer opportunity.
Bill Dewison @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
"Widen Asset Ownership"

The Soviet Union did that and enslaved millions.

When will Labour realise that all money belongs to people and not Governments?

There is a reason for wealth inequality. It is called aspiration, determination and risk. Libertarians take control of their own lives and do what is required to be free. It doesn't cost a penny and freedom is not the reserve of the wealthy.

Example: Romany Travellers. Whether you approve or not, they are slaves to no one. They ignore the laws they see as unjust or unworkable, they laugh at the concept of credit or wage slavery, they mock the construct of land ownership or property. They are "free".

Freedom has nothing to do with wealth. Ask a new age traveller or a hippy.

Stop trying to take my money away. It's mine. Not yours.

Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Thank you Ayn Rand, it's all clear to me now.

The only reason I don't own a Lear jet is because I'm lazy.
MonkeyBot 5000 @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
and not as clever as someone who does
Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Well I did leave uni after my second physics degree, maybe I should have stuck around for a PhD. I hear the certificate comes stapled to a huge wodge of bank notes.

At least I'm not simple enough to claim wealth inequality is purely down to everyone who earns less than me being less intelligent and less hard-working.
MonkeyBot 5000 @ 47 weeks ago
So on your Romany example: Romany gypsies are subject to racist attacks in many European countries. They get driven off sites they have camped on by people claiming the land. Does a Libertarian state offer any protection to them?
B Bendle @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
It most certainly does.

Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
And out of interest, what happens if a large group of Romany gypsies - or any travellers - set up camp on common land right next to my garden? Whose right does libertarianism respect, theirs to the common land, or mine not to have my garden overshadowed by their caravans/sleep disturbed by noise?
B Bendle @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
A few points:

1 Bring in punitive inheritance tax levels i.e. 25% and the rich will just move abroad. Tax rates are used globally as competitive tools to attract investment. A country with low or zero inheritance tax rates knows exactly what it is doing.

2 You will hit large chunks of the middle classes in a way that is deeply unpopular. Wealth in the middle classes is not tied up in shares and savings on the whole. It is in property, notably the family home. Increase inheritance tax and you force many children to have to sell the family home immediately upon the death of their parents. I cannot think of a policy better designed to get people to oppose Labour.

3 Wealth upon death has already been taxed many times over. The state has taken vast amounts through the lifetime of an individual and now you propose to raid it again?

From a personal point of view, I inherited next to nothing and will get no more (even though I’m young age still), however I am deeply opposed to penalising those who will inherit.

Over the course of my life I will work and earn my wealth and I believe it my right to pass that on to whomever I choose. I want to pass it to me family and not to the nameless faceless underclass you propose to benefit more than anyone else.

So I shall use every trick, opportunity and even move abroad to avoid giving the state any of my capital. All my wealth goes to my family upon my death and nothing you can say will change my mind on this.

Force me into a position where I have no option and I will have every penny I can lay my hands on burnt and destroyed rather than give the state one small part of it.
Guy M @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago

"rich will just move abroad"

i find that a highly odd notion Guy. It kinda says that one loves one's freedoms more than one loves one's country. yes, I am aware that you will say that country is not what and enough is eough and all that . The core fundamental, I do not believe changes in one's character or the character of our nation...though our personality evolves. It sounds as if you were in love with the personality rather than the core character of this great country of ours.

we are a pragmatic countries. we make deals. we move on.
The authority of the monarchy of days gone gave us the perception of greater freedoms. Its decline and the vacuum left made the state move in opportunistically to suck power upwards. ....but society has become more freerer (how we treat each other, social stigmas and so on in the areas that Labour has focussed on). You are well aware of the downside to this....level of social freedom. everything has a downside. It does not change our character though - of a pragmatic resilient robust country.



I sense Guy, and with great respect to you, that it is more rootless amongst us - i.e those with not many ties outside our immediate family - who would share your sentiment. Your cry for freedom is a cry to be given space so that you can root yourself somewhere. Fair enough. I rather think that the bulk of others are possibly in a different place in their life journey.....and hence the world will not go according to your primary wish (though it will be greener and more open).....and that is kinda not nice.


But I am kinda confused Guy. What is your primary wish. Our second wish normally cannot be fulfilled instantly as a result.
ash cash @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Those who faced with having a few hundred thousand taken in inheritance tax will look to retire abroad.

It already happens and it will only increase if you put IHT up.

That's the reality.... have the rich stay and spend or leave and take their wealth with them. Other countries understand this and tax accordingly.

The left it seems would cut off their own noses to spite their faces.
Guy M @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
i see no problem in the rich or for that matter poor relocating. Freedom of choice and all that.



No harm done. Either way. As a recruiter and a manger you ofcourse are fully aware that sometimes sadly the face does not fit/suit (could be the employers face or the employees)....and people move on. There should be no hard feelings.
ash cash @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Sadly the ones who often "move on" are the ones with the valued and easily transferable skills.

Now if you're happy with a environment that loses the most valuable skills and experienced individuals along with the wealthiest and their capital then fine.

Personally I think the UK would be in far far worse position if we increased taxation and undermined the City for instance but then there's nothing like a bit of envy to drive poor political choices.
Guy M @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
I can't think of many things which would benefit Britain more than the City and its incompetents de-camping. Just who was responsible for the financial crisis of recent months - the unregulated City and the banking and finance industries, which governments of both colours have allowed to have their own way for far too long
Mike Homfray @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Funny how the poor of Poland managed to relocate to the UK to find work but the poor of the UK just demand "equality".
Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Here here.
Winston Smith @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
LOL… very good.

3 terms of massive tax hikes and endless squander and you’re still scratching around looking for ways to increase the tax take.

The UK currently has Scandinavian levels of taxation and public spending, its just a shame that its delivered third world style public services. (Apart from the salaries and pensions of course they are all world class).

And quite right don’t you go “capitulating to public opinion” after all its not like we’re a democracy is it?
Crazy Carrot @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
The problem with this suggested policy is that under this incompetent Labour Government, the 'spread' of who is Taxed, usually ends up 'Thieving From' those who cannot afford it. In other words the mid-range and low wage earners.

All 'Taxes' Labour have imposed on UK Citizens is usually done with 'Good Intent'. However, the reality has been that this invokes the law of 'Unintended Consequences', and many, many wage earners get caught up in tax policy. Incompetence, and well meaning blundering are other consequences.

Clever Tax Lawyers and Accountants will always be able to 'protect' the fiscal interests of the Super-Rich. No doubt Mr and Mrs Blair have seen to it that the State in the form of the Inland Revenue does not get its hands on their 'Stash of Gold'. Nor those other champagne socialists like Mr Mandelson, the Kinnocks and others.

Their wealth with be salted away in offshore Banks in the same way that the fiscally wealthy have always dealt with Tax matters for a very long time. So who will be left to Tax under another Labour administration - why the middle and low end wage earners of course. After all, whoever is Chancellor of the Exchequor under a Labour Government, will always need 'Other Peoples Money to Eventually Runout of!'

Sad, but those are the facts.
TumbleWeedNumpty Mr Captain Mainwaring @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Excellent post. This is the second time this month (gasp!) I've found myself agreeing with a LabourList poster. The British ultra-rich will need to be dragged kicking and screaming before they pay their fair share of tax. It's us middle class mugs that pay the lion's share. The present system only strengthens the position of the super-wealthy and squeezes the lower/middle classes. The amount of capital that the top 1% still control never fails to astound me.

In the US Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and George Soros have already pledged to leave their vast wealth to charitable causes. Somehow I don't see it happening with the likes of Sugar, Branson et al...

What is the alternative? Obtain the billions of pounds of government revenue by increasing the taxes of those less able to pay or cut essential services?

It would do much to dissolve many of the aristocracies, dynasties and landed gentry that are still prevalent today. Letting the super-rich get off tax-free is a bit like choosing the 2012 Olympic team by picking the eldest children of the 1992 Olymic gold-medal winners. It makes no sense and is an aristocracy not a meritocracy.

Any system that would increase financial independence for all can only be a good thing.
Andrew Webb @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
You need to get your facts straight. Alan Sugar has raised and donated many millions of pounds for and to the Great Ormond Street Hospital. How much have YOU handed over in your charitable good works?
Sam Francisco @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
The phrase "the likes of Sugar" (a major Labour Party contributor) implies to any person reading your words that you disapprove of him and his wealth. If I'm wrong, why single him out?
Sam Francisco @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Perhaps I could have phrased that better. I've nothing against Sugar's wealth per se, rather the percentage rate of tax paid by the super-rich, compared to say, their cleaning ladies.
Andrew Webb @ 47 weeks ago
2 thoughts initially occur.

First. if you increase tax the natural instincts of the wealthy will be to ensure that their wealth will be passed on to family & friends by evermore complex avoadance schemes. Money won't flow to the poor, it will go to the wealthy. The middle classes will simply pay up like sheep and whinge like hell to the daily mail.



Secondly. What is to be done with the money raised? If it's to be saved by individuals to pay for education then that's an extremely inefficent way of paying for education. The banks gain the profit from the interest whilst the state can't use the money. Moreover you end up supporting the provision of private education.

Alternatively why not give the moeny to the needy at a certain age, maybe 18-21. The feckless or ill-educated may well just piss it up the wall leaving them destitute and increasing inequality.

Why not just leave it alone. Personally I find it totally immoral that the state can interfere with what i want to do with my money once I have paid tax on it even when I die. As I understand it, taxes on death apply not merely to the estate but also apply to gifts in previous years. Pleaase correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. I won't have to pay inheritance tax on my parent's death but i still think it's wrong.
mike slater @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
OK. Presumably you have your own property. Now let's see the bit in your Will dividing your estate up into equal chunks for all the poor people in the council block down the road.

Thought not.

Move along. Nothing to see.
Sam Francisco @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
But loads of people leave large charitable donations in their wills. Loads of people leave money for needy individuals they know. Obviously you don't leave it indiscrimnately to strangers - they might waste it or not need it. True, the welfare state might have difficulty making the necessary judgements, but that's a different principle.
B Bendle @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
That's part of it though - having the choice to decide where it goes. If I wanted to leave some to my family and some to a charity then it's my call. I earnt the money so I decide where it goes.

Not Gordon Brown; not Stuart White; not Jon Feltham.

And of course we know that not a penny of our taxes are wasted...
G BN @ 46 weeks and 6 days ago
Money earned during a persons lifetime should rightfully be their's to do with as they please.

Inhrited "un-earned" income is a totally disgraceful concept; there is no reason why the money left on death should not be returned, in its entirety to the state, and so be enjoyed by all of us in the form of reduced taxation.

As a moral concept this can have no legitimate detractors; when you are dead, you are dead and cannot require your wish to direct your wealth to family members etc to be honoured.

The problem is that many dyed in the wool socialists suddenly lose their moral compass when their own money is at stake and we would not just have to worry about the Tory opposition but to opposition from our own side
Jon Feltham @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
"As a moral concept this can have no legitimate detractors; when you are dead, you are dead and cannot require your wish to direct your wealth to family members etc to be honoured."


And they say the Tories are the Nasty Party.
Charlie Farley @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
By the reasoning you've offered Christmas presents are a totally disgraceful concept and should be "returned" to the state (because clearly that's where money comes from).
Hugh Pettit @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
If the government were to take my estate in its entirety, there would be no incentive for be to build any kind of estate. I mean seriously, why bother? Work all the hours that God sends only for complete strangers to benefit? No thanks. I'll just work enough to get by on, and no more. No doubt 99% of the population would do the same.

My parents have often said that they have worked hard and saved so that they are able to leave us kids something. They certainly wouldn't have bothered if they weren't able to bequeath the result of their efforts.

And your talk of inherited "un-earned" income. It all depends on your definition of "earning". A wife who stays at home and looks after the children is entitled to half of the couple's accumulated wealth despite never having earned a penny. Why? Because she enabled the "earner" (in this case the husband) to dedicate time and energy to his job. As children, my brother and I did all the housework (and many times cooked the meals) so that our parents could spend more time at work. We may not have earned that money ourselves, but we sure made a contribution. A contribution that makes me a hell of a lot more deserving of my parents' estate than the 'chav' down the road who's parents and grandparents have spent their entire life on the dole.

BTW, I notice that you didn't declare that when your parents pass on, you will donate your entire share of their estate to HM Treasury.
Mike C @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
The party of envy - Labour's answer to everything is a new tax.

I've worked hard, inherited nothing, everything I/we have is what my wife and I have worked for. Why should someone else benefit from that other than those who I choose to?

As has been said, the rich will get around it, the Middle Classes will pay it. I for one would emmigrate upon retirement and take MY money with me and leave it in a trust abroad. Assuming the government impossibly managed to close every loophole going and stop people leaving the country, I'd give it all to the Dog's Trust and Cat's Protection League rather than let the State take it.
Road Hog @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
My guess is that his parents think he's a hateful little sod, and have decided not to leave him anything.
Mike C @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
let me get this straight jon. you believe that it is "a disgraceful concept" to be able to leave wealth, however large or small, to your family after your death? that the will is a document without value or merit? so for example: you would advocate confiscating to the government the entire estate of the deceased, leaving widow/widower/family with nothing?

by implication, it seems you would also advocate the confiscation of any life insurance proceeds too? and legacy donations to charity? i'm struggling to rationalise this hardcore, cruel and bitterly marxist concept, as i'm sure will most people who have read it.

as a moral concept it is utterly repugnant and one that treats people like state chattels, not human beings.
Jules Wright @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Why do you think the State issues you with a "birth certificate" and a national insurance number? Why have a census?

You are a resource. A revenue stream. Birth certificates are bonds in future income for the state.
Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
granted. but we're not living in 'the matrix' just yet.
Jules Wright @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
"Returning wealth to the State after death"

The State has no wealth.
Old Holborn @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
... only that which it (legally) steals.
Jules Wright @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
It's the most vicious sort of parasite that knows how much to take before its host is crippled.
Thomas Byrne @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Let's put it to a vote.

Would you like to grab a share of someone else's money - sorry, erm, I mean, are you in favour of a "universal capital grant"?

Excellent - vote carried!
Chris Chris @ 47 weeks and 1 day ago
Stuart White, if you would really like to arrange for a feckless Hoodie to have a 'Heritance when he's 18 - why, you can give him one yourself - from your own bank account. But don't seek to co-erce me or anyone else to join you please - I will make my own mind up thank you very much.
Joanna Adie @ 46 weeks and 1 day ago